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CAL THOMAS COMMENTARY MARCH 12, 2013 THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH THIS WEEKS BEGINS THE PROCES
CalThomas.com ^ | March 12 2013 | Cal Thomas

Posted on 03/13/2013 8:11:02 AM PDT by opbuzz

THE IDEA OF A POPE IS BASED ON A FALSE INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE, THAT JESUS WANTED TO BUILD HIS CHURCH ON PETER, INSTEAD OF HIMSELF. WHY WOULD JESUS BUILD HIS CHURCH ON A SINFUL MAN?

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To: opbuzz

I never saw his blog before. At first, I thought he was being hacked.

I’ll never understand why people care about other people’s religious ideas. I spend no time worrying about what Evangelicals think...


51 posted on 03/13/2013 8:46:40 AM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: opbuzz

Why would any prominent person decide to attack the entirety of the Catholic Church as false, at the time of selection of a new leader? If this is legit, he exposes the face of religious intolerance which has scared many away from conservatives.

I’m sure he hasn’t stopped to think that maybe God didn’t want a “reformation” against the Church, which led to dozens of conflicting denominations each professing the one “true” interpretation and sometimes killing each other.

Maybe the Pope has more insight in Scripture than Cal Thomas. Maybe not. Why should we care about the theological certitude of Cal Thomas?


52 posted on 03/13/2013 8:47:21 AM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way)
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To: Ransomed

Maybe he wants to be a Quaker.


53 posted on 03/13/2013 8:48:06 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: LukeL

Isn’t it interesting that the very first miracle recorded in the bible was Mary interceding at the wedding of cana? And Jesus granted her request. Maybe God is trying to make a point?

I’m Catholic, and I often go directly to Jesus when I pray. I also often go to his mother because I love her and Jesus listens to her.

Jesus IS the one true mediator between God and man. Catholics don’t dispute this. At the same time we ask one another to pray for us. Haven’t you ever asked a friend or family member to pray for a certain need?


54 posted on 03/13/2013 8:48:30 AM PDT by diamond6 (Need scientific proof of God? Check out: http://www.magisreasonfaith.org/)
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To: Never on my watch
Yes, I corrected myself in post #8. I thought I heard him say he was Catholic in the past. Obviously, I mis-remembered.

here's a good rule of thumb - not too many of us Catholics naming our kids Calvin. ;)

55 posted on 03/13/2013 8:48:57 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: LukeL
From the Douay-Rheims Bible: 1 Timothy 2:5

5."For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus:"

Meaning (commentary from the Douay Rheims): "One mediator: Christ is the one and only mediator of redemption, who gave himself, as the apostle writes in the following verse."

6. "Who gave himself a redemption for all, a testimony in due time

It doesn't say anything about not praying to God for others or to ask others to pray for us. I pray for anybody who needs prayers said. I ask Our Lady to pray for me. Her Son hears her pleas on our behalf, just as He hears our pleas for others.

56 posted on 03/13/2013 8:50:47 AM PDT by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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To: impimp
John 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it

If I am strong in my faith, and my prayers come from an agape form of love and mindset, Christ will provide as long as we are willing to receive it. Of course God's way of answering may not be what I expect, but it will be there.

57 posted on 03/13/2013 8:51:12 AM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: diamond6

Don’t forget the Church’s strong stance on euthanasia. They are wonderful on the subject.


58 posted on 03/13/2013 8:51:12 AM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: jagusafr

Not a Catholic but as I understand it, it’s no different than asking friends or family members to pray for you on your behalf. Catholics believe that Mary and all the saints (individuals confirmed to be in heaven) can be asked to pray for you on your behalf as well.


59 posted on 03/13/2013 8:51:17 AM PDT by garbanzo (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine)
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To: LukeL
AMEN BROTHER!!
60 posted on 03/13/2013 8:51:18 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: xzins
... SUGGESTS THAT THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST IS INSUFFICIENT TO CLEANSE FROM ALL SIN, AGAIN, A VIOLATION OF BIBLICAL TRUTH.

It would seem that Mr. Thomas has never read, reflected or meditated at length upon St. Paul's (biblical truth) ... in Colossians 1:24

Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church ...

61 posted on 03/13/2013 8:51:51 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: cornelis

Quakers don’t use all caps.


62 posted on 03/13/2013 8:52:13 AM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: DManA

Your legitimate point of view is in conflict with every Church leader prior to the 1500s. Good luck with that.


63 posted on 03/13/2013 8:52:30 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: xzins

I think it was more of a hit at the press.. Press is only Talking only about sex scandals and not the fact their are differences between christians on doctrine that are being debated..Press sort of lumps all christians together and ignores what makes us different..


64 posted on 03/13/2013 8:52:40 AM PDT by scbison
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To: LukeL

Why should I ask my cousin to pray to Christ with me for my mother-in-law when I could pray to Christ directly?

I do both. Don’t you? Mary’s a fellow believer in Christ. Indeed, she was the first to believe in Christ. She’s the first Christian. And she never stopped being a fellow-Christian.

Would you join with me in praying for my former student who’s having trouble getting a job. His name is John Paul. (No, he was not named after the pope.)

Thank you. Your and Mary’s prayers will help. Now I’m sure he’ll get a job.


65 posted on 03/13/2013 8:53:53 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: LukeL

Why did those people at Cana talk to Mary at all?


66 posted on 03/13/2013 8:54:12 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: Truth2012

HAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!! You are FUNNY!!!


67 posted on 03/13/2013 8:54:26 AM PDT by Ann Archy (ABORTION........the HUMAN sacrifice to the god of CONVENIENCE.)
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To: Andrei Bulba

Cal Thomas has gone off the rails several times in the last month or so. Looks to me like he’s getting senile. Used to be a decent Protestant Evangelical/Reformed commentator.


68 posted on 03/13/2013 8:54:53 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: miss marmelstein

You’re funny.


69 posted on 03/13/2013 8:55:34 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: opbuzz

To prevent duplication, please do not alter the published headline, thx.


70 posted on 03/13/2013 8:55:54 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: miss marmelstein

Evangelical Quakers do. And so does the Quaker peacenik fringe. Bu5t no, moderate Quakers don’t, just like moderate Muslims don’t.


71 posted on 03/13/2013 8:55:56 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: LukeL

Mary is the new Eve, she is the Ark of the Covenant. Do you really think that God, The Almighty, the Holy of Holies, the Great I Am, would allow Himself to be born of a sinful woman? Do you not see the folly in this type of thinking?

Even His commandments were placed in a golden ark made to the Lord’s specifications. The Son of God could only be conceived in someone pure and sinless.


72 posted on 03/13/2013 8:56:10 AM PDT by diamond6 (Need scientific proof of God? Check out: http://www.magisreasonfaith.org/)
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To: miss marmelstein

You are correct. I double checked my oatmeal container to fact check your statement.


73 posted on 03/13/2013 8:56:13 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Thats just it. There is no scripture that even remotely suggests this silly smoke signal business be conducted.

That's a bizarre response.

What is your position on kayaking? Or stamp collecting?

Since the Bible mentions neither of those activities, presumably they're forbidden as well?

But hey - if this traditional dogma

Clearly you do not know what the word "dogma" means.

Putting that aside, signalling a "yes" or a "non" using colored smoke doesn't make anyone feel holy. It makes them feel informed.

74 posted on 03/13/2013 8:56:26 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: garbanzo

That is correct. Thank you!


75 posted on 03/13/2013 8:56:47 AM PDT by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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To: garbanzo

I think of it to use an IT term, a form of “Load Balancing”.


76 posted on 03/13/2013 8:56:55 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ex-snook

“The only sinless person born was Mary, the mother of Jesus”

Huh? Then why could not she have borne our sins at the cross? What need was there for the Holy Child if we already had one without sin? Only 2 have been born free of sin: Adam and Christ; hence Scriptures’ references to Christ as the Second Adam. The first Adam, through disobedience, brought the stain of sin upon all humanity and Christ (the Second Adam) through obedience, broke the power of sin over mankind.


77 posted on 03/13/2013 8:57:01 AM PDT by katieanna
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To: jagusafr
We ALL pray to Jesus directly, but then we also ask the Saints to appeal to Jesus FOR us ALSO. No different that asking Dad for a raise in allowance and ALSO asking MOM to talk to him FOR you.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why Protestants can't see the simple basis behind this. It seems thick to me.

78 posted on 03/13/2013 8:59:41 AM PDT by Ann Archy (ABORTION........the HUMAN sacrifice to the god of CONVENIENCE.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

On point one... the Bible is a product of our tradition. Without the Catholic Church and her traditions you would not have a canon of scripture.

On point two... please review John 3:16 and see tag line.


79 posted on 03/13/2013 9:00:01 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: Houghton M.

Well he can express his opinion of course, it just seems rude to me. Is he really still fighting the reformation? And I’m really missing something here because didn’t Christ say to Peter “You are my rock, and upon this rock I will build my Church”? I’m sure one can argue about interpretation but with Islam rising is this really the fight anyone needs?

I recall a Jewish professor saying to me that if Christ appeared in the Holy Land and saw the mosque, church and synagogue, he is going in the synagogue. I’m hard pressed to disagree based on Christ’s life as a Jew. Now what he will say in there is another matter.


80 posted on 03/13/2013 9:01:35 AM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way)
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To: xzins
I prefer to see Roman Catholics as being on the same team as I am, struggling in their way to promote Jesus Christ.

Bravo...wish more of us (Catholic and Protestant) saw things your way.

81 posted on 03/13/2013 9:03:04 AM PDT by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Houghton M.
There is a clear difference between praying for someone who is alive, and praying to someone who died, so they can petition God for me or others.

Deuteronomy 18:11 - Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

For me that is clear enough.

82 posted on 03/13/2013 9:04:35 AM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: sneakers

Once you believe in the afterlife, which we all do, I don’t think sending a prayer request to a departed Saint, or anyone, is that hard to understand. Plus if one believes Saints were allowed to perform miracles on Earth. Perhaps this became excessive worship at times but no one ever mistook a Saint for God.


83 posted on 03/13/2013 9:04:58 AM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way)
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To: xzins

Cal Thomas is of a sect of Christianity, Baptists, that was started by a MAN in the 1800’s or thereabouts!! Geesh Cal.....go examine your conscience.


84 posted on 03/13/2013 9:05:18 AM PDT by Ann Archy (ABORTION........the HUMAN sacrifice to the god of CONVENIENCE.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Only if you believe Catholics ignore the 1st Commandment.

When you ask your neighbor to pray for you, is that person acting as a mediator? No. He is merely offering his prayer as well. So why not ask your neighbors in Heaven to pray for you? Why not ask His mother? The people at the wedding feast at Cana did, and look what happened! (John 2:1-11)

Perhaps you need to recognize that the English word “pray,” has multiple meanings. If you believe that all prayer is identical, then you are constraining the definition.

Pray, as in worship due only to God, is one thing. Pray, as to petition others on our behalf, is something totally different.

Finally, are the souls in Heaven “dead?” Assuming you go to Heaven, will you be dead? NO! You will be praising God ceaselessly! As a member of the Body of Christ, you will also be petitioning Him for the souls of your brethren on Earth.


85 posted on 03/13/2013 9:06:48 AM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: garbanzo

Garbanza....THANK YOU!! You are the FIRST non-Catholic on this site that has ever admitted to knowing about prayers for intercession. You are to be admired.


86 posted on 03/13/2013 9:08:25 AM PDT by Ann Archy (ABORTION........the HUMAN sacrifice to the god of CONVENIENCE.)
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To: ex-snook

Do you really think the current Catholic group is anything like the Catholic group (catholic as in universal) of 2,000 years ago?
I mean really when was the first pope elected?
Mary is sinless?
So you don’t go with that she and Joseph had other children, I guess.


87 posted on 03/13/2013 9:09:59 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: diamond6

So then I can argue how was Mary born sinless inside a sinful body? I always saw it as Jesus was man, but not of Mary or Joseph. He was created as Adam was pure and sinless, but unlike Adam he was also God.


88 posted on 03/13/2013 9:10:00 AM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: xzins; All

I’m disappointed in this news. I never knew he was so anti-Catholic. I’m still not sure this isnt some hoax of some sort. If it’s not, I guess it’s a good life lesson to not assume too much, good or bad, about anyone.


89 posted on 03/13/2013 9:10:43 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: MarineBrat

No, because in the book of Numbers we are told how God will choose the leadership of the church.

This man made fakery is just offensive to me. If people want to worship it, I guess that is their choice.. it is just sad, because it isn’t about God.

If God wants there to be a Pope, sure enough everyone, who knows God, is going to know who the person is.

God raises up his children. Man does not rise up God’s children.

But- we have to read the word of God to really understand.


90 posted on 03/13/2013 9:11:51 AM PDT by Truth2012
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To: rwilson99
Without the Catholic Church and her traditions you would not have a canon of scripture.

Yeah, I see you've been watching that Catholic comercial aring during 'The Bible' claiming the Catholic church is the reason why there is a Bible.

That is a lie that has been around for years. It ranks right up there with another lie that the Catholic church is the one only true church.

Religous bigotry. Pure and simple.

91 posted on 03/13/2013 9:12:27 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: impimp
What is wrong with asking Mary to pray to Jesus too?

When Jesus taught us to pray, He didn't say "Our Father And Saints". He simply said "Our Father". There's a reason for that.

Prayer to God, and God alone, is sufficient. Timothy 2:1 is quite right - praying FOR others is very useful and we are commanded to do so. Praying TO others who are not God is not necessary.

92 posted on 03/13/2013 9:13:20 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: rose

“Christ was not fully man...He is God as man. He is Divine.
He is more than just man.”

Yes he was fully man. He was just a much flesh a blood as are you and I. God’s word says he was just like me and you in every way. He was fully man as well as fully God. To deny that Jesus was a man is to deny Jesus’ suffering.

Heb. 2:17&18: “17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.

Heb. 4:14-16 “14 Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.


93 posted on 03/13/2013 9:14:23 AM PDT by swampfox101
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To: Truth2012
Knowing the Bible, I have to admit that this watching of the smoke looks silly to me. I have lost a lot of what little respect I had, for the Catholic religion, over this.

We Catholics are members of an historical, traditional religion. In our current age where the election of a new pope can be tweeted instantly around the world, the tradition of the white and black smoke might seem silly to you. But historically, smoke signals provided a good way for the citizens of Rome to know what was up. News could spread out from the central hub of Rome and interested folks could gather in St. Peter's to await the new Pope. The smoke is not a matter of doctrine. The Cardinals don't have to do it. But it's a neat tip of the hat to previous generations.

If you think the smoke is silly, don't look at it. I personally think covered dish suppers are silly, but I haven't lost respect for Protestants because of them.

94 posted on 03/13/2013 9:16:30 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: namvolunteer
"silly or schismatic"

You mean like every religious thread on this forum?

95 posted on 03/13/2013 9:18:08 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: cornelis

Yeah- I guess so. Ceremony can be beautiful. BUT when men create a ceremony and assign it to God, when God did not create it.. the ceremony becomes offensive.

That is the lesson of the Bible.

They can have their organization, sure- and all the ceremony they want-but it isn’t about God.

The Catholics I know are making jokes about this- and talking about drinking games..

I think that in this smokey thing, it is sad- that there is no reference, reverence or love for our Lord, Jesus the Christ- who died for us.

In Exodus the children of God followed the Holy Spirit, a pillar of smoke- so this idea of man made smoke , to communicate a man made decision, is blasphemous to me.


96 posted on 03/13/2013 9:18:20 AM PDT by Truth2012
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To: old and tired
If you think the smoke is silly, don't look at it. I personally think covered dish suppers are silly, but I haven't lost respect for Protestants because of them.

 

So, what you are saying is that there is as much spritual significance and relevance in a covered dish supper as there is in selecting a new pope.

As a Christian - I totally agree with you.

97 posted on 03/13/2013 9:20:15 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: FourtySeven
Cal's views are EXACTLY like any born again Evangelical Christian's . No hoax and his is not senile.
98 posted on 03/13/2013 9:20:28 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Would a “tweet” make you feel better?

How would you feel hundreds of years from now to when communicate the election results traditional “tweets” were used instead of some new technology?

You’re complaining about silly things. Smoke is the traditional method. Big deal. Get over it.


99 posted on 03/13/2013 9:22:11 AM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Truth2012

It’s “blasphemous” to use smoke signals to covey information?

Ponderous man, just ponderous....< shakes his head in disbelief > ...and here I thought I’d heard it all when it comes to criticism of the Catholic Church.


100 posted on 03/13/2013 9:23:16 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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