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Rick Warren’s Son Commits Suicide
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Posted on 04/06/2013 2:20:59 PM PDT by Morgana

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To: editor-surveyor
An aspirin can cost you your life under some conditions, and you have no way of knowing as you open the bottle, if that will be your last aspirin.

Very true. Just as the period you typed after the word "aspirin" above could be the last period you ever typed, so much so that it is too late for you to read this very response.

51 posted on 04/06/2013 4:25:41 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Nita Nupress

Nope, its just the Freepers who attack with their own version of what Christianity means ....which of course, they know better than you or I!


52 posted on 04/06/2013 4:26:50 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: editor-surveyor
The answer to a headache, like any other condition, is to remove the cause.

I hear that Islam is real good at doing that.

53 posted on 04/06/2013 4:27:04 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: editor-surveyor
Are you “purpose driven?”

No, i never read that book. I don't even know what the phrase means, although i occasionally hear people say it.

Are you aware of Warren’s departure from God’s word?

No, I barely know who he is.

54 posted on 04/06/2013 4:27:26 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Morgana

Most churches have long recognized that mental illness is almost always nobody’s fault, and concerns that it is caused by demons are almost always wrong.

A superb example of this is found in pernicious anemia, the inability to absorb vitamin B12 in your food. People thus afflicted could become raving maniacs, in straightjackets and tied to their beds, insane 24 hours a day until they died. Vitamin B12 is essential for every living cell in your body.

In any event, when a liquid B12 shot was developed, the change in the victims of pernicious anemia was amazing to see. A madwoman (since it mostly affects women), would be screaming, straining at her restraints, incoherent, every voluntary muscle tense. As soon as she was injected in the arm, within seconds her arm relaxed, and you could see her muscles relax as it flowed through her body, until she was completely calm.

Then she would open her eyes, utterly puzzled, and say, “Where am I? Who are you people?” or words to that effect, before wondering why she was restrained and wanting to see her family. Thereafter every two or three weeks, she would get another shot and be right as rain for the rest of her life.

But that was easy. Chronic depression, the most common mental illness, is often exceedingly hard to treat. And when people rapidly cycle into depression, called manic depression, someone who was bright, cheery, gregarious, smart, and fun to be around one moment, will be taken down with severe depression, stripped of their joy, their energy, their strength, their motivation to live.

In this state, despair reigns, movement is exhausting, bright lights, bright colors, and other people are just painful. They want to curl up in a ball in the dark and be nothing. They don’t want to even try anymore.


55 posted on 04/06/2013 4:28:41 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: editor-surveyor; Revolting cat!
you have no way of knowing as you open the bottle, if that will be your last aspirin.

And yet we do know that everyone who has ever had so much as a single aspirin will indeed die one day.

56 posted on 04/06/2013 4:29:59 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Nita Nupress

What is sad about these posters is that THEIR “interpretation” of Christianity is still back in the middle ages when being sick( especially) mentally was thought to be a sin of the parents, or that the person was “praying enough”..thus laying guilt on someone on top of his sickness.

Moreover, they discourage people who are sick from getting help from medicine or doctors...biggest example:Christian Scientists who still don’t believe in blood transfusions.


57 posted on 04/06/2013 4:30:52 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: Fightin Whitey
And yet we do know that everyone who has ever had so much as a single aspirin will indeed die one day.

Solution: don't ever have even a single aspirin, you'll live forever.

58 posted on 04/06/2013 4:31:13 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: kjam22

>> “Do you think there’s a chance God helped mankind develop insulin?” <<

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Absolutely not!

God gave us his son, Yeshua, and thereby repentance and forgiveness of sin.

Ephesians 4:11 says “And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers” but nowhere does he say that he gave us doctors, or drugs.

To the contrary, in Jeremiah 17 he says:

[5] Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

[6] For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.

[7] Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.

[8] For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.


59 posted on 04/06/2013 4:32:09 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Nope, its just the Freepers who attack with their own version of what Christianity means ....which of course, they know better than you or I!

Of course! I ran across one last week throwing out insults to a group of people he apparently hates. I glanced at his/her profile page and found a prayer and the word "God" half a dozen times. < sigh >

60 posted on 04/06/2013 4:33:54 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: editor-surveyor

I think you need to edit your surveillances a little better. Just sayin’.


61 posted on 04/06/2013 4:34:45 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Do you really think Ephesians 4:11 lists EVERYTHING God has given us? Seriously??


62 posted on 04/06/2013 4:35:08 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: Morgana
just wow, what could have caused this?

There can be no explanation when mental illness is the cause. A very good friend of mine has a history of mental illness, his daughter suffers from it also and is on medication and has been advised not to have children, and his only son committed suicide at the age of 32.

Contrary to what a few folks on this site who will show up shortly have to say about suicide and selfishness, it is a medical illness caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain.........

My prayers go out to Mr. Warren's family and every other family that has had to face the loss of a loved one due to this insidious, self destructive disease.......

63 posted on 04/06/2013 4:35:15 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: Hot Tabasco

There is a third possibility beside selfishness and the equally fashionable diagnosis of chemical imbalance, and that is natural response to life’s difficulties.


64 posted on 04/06/2013 4:37:30 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Thank God, another rational post and sympathy for the family!


65 posted on 04/06/2013 4:39:01 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Too late.

I already had some before awakening to this tragic fact of these our times.

Now there is, for me at least, no bufferin’ of the cold bayer pain of truth.


66 posted on 04/06/2013 4:39:29 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

thanks for an excellant, illuminating post.


67 posted on 04/06/2013 4:40:25 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: mardi59

We live in a state of grace. We are God’s even in suicide.


68 posted on 04/06/2013 4:40:41 PM PDT by Singermom
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To: editor-surveyor
“Medicine” helps no one.

Then either your God is evil or you are a religious wacko.........

Rather than condemn God, I choose to condemn you and your false interpretation of God's word...

69 posted on 04/06/2013 4:41:31 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: Nita Nupress

>> “But if “insulin is a bandaid,” then so are other medications” <<

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I do not disagree with that.

And the fact that the brain of a depressed individual shows differences from a normal brain is no indication for turning from the ways that God prescribed to the ways of men.

Confession, repentance, and the resulting sanctification is the path to repairing that brain, and no drug or doctor can do that.

>> “Have you ever seen someone who has vegetative depression because someone told them their faith wasn’t strong enough so they quit taking their medication?” <<

Don’t know if I have or not, but the bad advise was not delivered by God. Nowhere does God’s word say that disease is due to a lack of faith; Yeshua healed by forgiving sin (that is what he said himself), and after doing so he said “Go and sin no more.”

Doesn’t that offer any clue to you? Faith Healing is a MSM canard. It doesn’t come from God’s word.


70 posted on 04/06/2013 4:42:47 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Correct, it is the result of demonic tampering with his spirit. That is why going to a doctor is worse than useless.

Then show me cases where a priest or a pastor have cured schizophrenia............

71 posted on 04/06/2013 4:43:55 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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Another thread if anyone is interested in the comments thereon:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3004903/posts?


72 posted on 04/06/2013 4:45:17 PM PDT by deport
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

>> “.why don’t we just forget doctors and medicine for , oh, say, pneumonia, high blood pressure, diabetes..” <<

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WE definitely should, because they have no healing to offer, but just life long dependance on the adversary’s answer to disease.


73 posted on 04/06/2013 4:45:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: dfwgator

Go for it!


74 posted on 04/06/2013 4:47:18 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Crazy interpretations. I never really met anyone who thinks if you get sick you can’t call a doctor. I guess if you have a leg cramp while swiming in the ocean you can accept the help of a life guard either. Ephesians 4:11 doesn’t mention anything about lifeguards to help us. You get in a bad car wreck and you can’t let the EMSA people treat you I suppose. Who knows....


75 posted on 04/06/2013 4:47:38 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: Revolting cat!
equally fashionable diagnosis of chemical imbalance, and that is natural response to life’s difficulties.

When your teenage daughter takes off her pants, squats in the middle of the kitchen floor and defecates then says "look mom, I had a baby", is that a problem with "life's difficulties" or perhaps something more sinister such as a true mental illness cause by a chemical imbalance?

76 posted on 04/06/2013 4:51:36 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

>> “A superb example of this is found in pernicious anemia, the inability to absorb vitamin B12 in your food.” <<

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No, that is an example of ignorance.

B12 is normally made in your intestine, and thus is just another disfunction that can be brought on by your spiritual condition.

Sanctification is the route to all healing. Pray to be shown what you need to correct, and correct it.


77 posted on 04/06/2013 4:53:11 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Fightin Whitey

>> “And yet we do know that everyone who has ever had so much as a single aspirin will indeed die one day.” <<

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I want to assure you that unless Yeshua returns first, we will all die one day.


78 posted on 04/06/2013 4:54:33 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Confession, repentance, and the resulting sanctification is the path to repairing that brain, and no drug or doctor can do that.

Yeshua healed by forgiving sin (that is what he said himself), and after doing so he said “Go and sin no more.”

I'm not saying that's wrong. I'm saying that, using that line of reasoning/logic/Scripture/thinking, then all people who confess, repent, and are 'sanctified' should be disease-free. They are not. Are there other variables that I need to consider? Because I've done "all of the above," and I still have this herniated lumbar disc that hurts like the dickens sometimes. :-)

I suspect we'll never see eye-to-eye on this, so we may need to just agree to disagree.

79 posted on 04/06/2013 4:56:00 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: editor-surveyor

Yet Christ tells us whoever has the son will never die. Whoever believes HAS eternal life. Right now. Right?


80 posted on 04/06/2013 4:57:37 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: Morgana

there is no such thing as “mental illness”. Those are the dumb doctors no knowing that the demons attack the minds of humans and for Rick to not know that show a very very severe lacking of understanding. I am very sorry that he was not able to help his son. If he could have led him to fhu.com instead of all of his bible teachings, the young man could have been saved.


81 posted on 04/06/2013 4:57:42 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Truth2012

You sound real sorry. I can feel the compassion.


82 posted on 04/06/2013 4:58:40 PM PDT by bethelgrad
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To: kjam22

>> “Do you really think Ephesians 4:11 lists EVERYTHING God has given us? Seriously??” <<

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It does list all of the men that are qualified to assist us.

He gave us other things, but they are all also listed in his word.


83 posted on 04/06/2013 4:59:15 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Well, if your philosophy becomes popular, we won’t need to worry about Obamacare.


84 posted on 04/06/2013 4:59:40 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: kjam22

>> “Yet Christ tells us whoever has the son will never die.” <<

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Will never die the “second death.”


85 posted on 04/06/2013 5:00:41 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Nita Nupress

Some take the promises of scripture that apply to the kingdom of God, that are directed toward our spiritual self that is reborn in christ’s likeness... and apply those promises to our physical carnal humanity.


86 posted on 04/06/2013 5:00:42 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: editor-surveyor

The bible makes no mention of lifeguards. If you’re drowning in the ocean or a swimming pool... I want to know... do you tell the lifeguard to leave you alone and let you drown?


87 posted on 04/06/2013 5:02:35 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: editor-surveyor

That’s not what the scripture says. Christ didn’t say “we will never die the second death”. You just read that into it... don’t you? You gotta learn to distinguish between promises for the spirit, and promises for the flesh.


88 posted on 04/06/2013 5:04:24 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: editor-surveyor
we will all die one day.

That is a very profound assurance and we may be certain that anyone who doubts it will likely have their aspirin in Hell.

89 posted on 04/06/2013 5:05:56 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I do believe in doctors and medicine. I also believe in a few cases there can be legitimate mental illness where perhaps there is a physical causation. With that said, I also believe that most mental illness is really a spiritual illness that can be dealt with effectively by men of God who are familiar with the word of God. Most of psychology and psychiatry is mere philosophy and theory for the most part. The problem generally stems from guilt, unforgiveness, anger, jealousy, hatred, despair, and hopelessness; base on a simple rejection of God and a refusal to believe Him. Much healing can be afforded by simply taking God at His word and applying it to our lives. I speak as a minister who suffered from 10 years of addiction, who was at one time prepared to take his own life after 3 rehabilitation centers failed. I looked to Christ, discovered who I was in Him, and life became much more tolerable. That was 32 years ago, and life has progressively become more abundant with time. The One True God does and can heal the afflicted when we truly believe and apply the truth to our inward parts.


90 posted on 04/06/2013 5:06:15 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: kjam22
Some take the promises of scripture that apply to the kingdom of God, that are directed toward our spiritual self that is reborn in christ’s likeness... and apply those promises to our physical carnal humanity.

Thanks for the explanation. I'm beginning to understand now.

91 posted on 04/06/2013 5:07:18 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: bethelgrad

When I first heard I was very sad. It is a terrible tragic thing to loose a child. BUT- Rick Warren is not a Godly man, and God can only protect the people who come to him.

The fact that Rick lists doing everything for his son, other than talking to him about Jesus- shows that this man is a hypocrite.

The word of God is pretty clear what happens to pastors who take all the fame and glory and money- and do not shepherd the people in the truth. Rick has done more to damage the Christian church than any other person we can point to, in this generation, with his purpose driven money making scheme.

Reap-Sow.. it is what happens. It is really what happens.

Having been saved from a suicide attempt myself, I can witness to you that the only thing that helps is Jesus. No doctor, no pill , nothing is going to work.

So-Am I sorry- yes.

I am very sorry that Rick did not listen to the word of God, because it is the only thing that saves anyone from anything.

God can not protect those who refuse to turn to him- and stand on His word.

We should all pay attention. The world causes depression, it does not cure depression.


92 posted on 04/06/2013 5:09:03 PM PDT by Truth2012
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To: Nita Nupress

>> “ then all people who confess, repent, and are ‘sanctified’ should be disease-free. They are not.” <<

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I don’t know how to show you, but that statement is quite wrong.

Very few professing Christians have achieved sanctification.

Most think that recviting the “sinner’s prayer” does all that needs to be done. That simply is not so.

Anyone that has chronic disease has sanctification issues that need to be addressed. The path is first pray to be shown your sins, then confess and repent of them, then permanently remove them from your life. It can be a slow process for some, or a near instantaneous one for others.

If you want to understand this thoroughly, get Henry Wright’s book, “A More Excellent Way” and read it. I reccoment beginning with the testimony section in the back of the book. Real people confessing what they have gone through is an eye opener.

http://shop.beinhealth.com/store/US/catalog/partdetail.aspx?PartNo=BK2PAME


93 posted on 04/06/2013 5:10:04 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Would it be mere coincidence that those who suffer from deep depression live in a realm of great darkness and oppression? Perhaps writing off the spiritual aspect has only served to increase and feed the problem. Could there be a chemical balance? Certainly! The problem can very well be spiritual and in most cases of mental illness, I believe the problem is spiritual. We have bought the lie, and as a result many of America’s children become addicts early on because a pill has become the answer for every twirp. Mental illness has increased dramatically in America over the past few years and the root cause in not due to physical abnormality, but a spiritual decline into DARKNESS. And the more the world laughs, scorns, mocks, and ridicules the truth of God’s word, the deeper she sinks into the darkness He turns them over too.


94 posted on 04/06/2013 5:12:45 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
And since many mental illnesses are caused by a chemical imbalance, and have been considered diseases like other physical diseases....

That's what people say. Mental illness is not like any other class of disease. It affects behavior and human social interaction.

And, it affects the family.

95 posted on 04/06/2013 5:12:48 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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To: Nita Nupress

>> “Thanks for the explanation. I’m beginning to understand now.” <<

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I really don’t think so.

Do the words “by his stripes we are healed” mean anything to you? He truly does offer complete healing to those that will accept it in the way that it is offered.


96 posted on 04/06/2013 5:14:01 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Why didn’t God heal Paul’s affirmity? Why does God allow sickness? Why has NO ONE in history every reached that level of santification.... such that their physical being is restored to post fall? Because it will never happen. And God doesn’t promise that it will. The kingdom of God at this time is not about our physical self. It is about our spiritual self. Suggesting that we can so sanctify our spiritual self so that it heals our fallen, carnal, humanity is in complete contradiction to almost all of the book of Romans.


97 posted on 04/06/2013 5:14:51 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: editor-surveyor

The healing is our spiritual state. Not that Christ’s stripes bring us “physical” healing. WOW......


98 posted on 04/06/2013 5:15:53 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: editor-surveyor

Christ died on the cross... so we should never be physically sick? Are you really serious?


99 posted on 04/06/2013 5:17:07 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: kjam22

No, the healing is 100% physical.

It comes when we take responsibility for our spiritual state.


100 posted on 04/06/2013 5:18:01 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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