Posted on 04/23/2013 1:31:08 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
So all non Christians go to hell then.....
let’s not let history or the New Testament get in the way of whatever the pope wants to say...../s
Exactly right.
no reason to include all of scripture (I wil leave alone your misinterpretation of the ancient languages...) after alll Jesus merely told us that ...”I am the Truth, the Light, and the Way”
IF any pope followed Christ the Savior they would NEVER allow themselves to be called 'holy father'. Peter never called himself 'holy father'... them traditions made up by setting up a key cutting shop are night and day different than the 'keys' by which Peter established the 'body of Christ' the Church.
John in Revelation says there are seven churches, I guess that just won't play in the chant of being the first only oldest mother church. That thief hanging beside Christ never confessed to any mortal he had direct access to Christ as does each and every individual.... There is nothing Biblical about the need to confess to any flesh being ones sins for forgiveness of sin... Only 'hailing Mary' counting beads came long after Peter's walk in the flesh on this earth...
The Catholic Church does not own Christ... Christ owns all of us and there is no required sprinkling of water to have direct access to the greatest Gift ever given.
What does that word 'grace' literally mean? Nobody earns 'grace'.
The Pope is not only wrong, he’s far, far wrong. I’m disappointed at his ignorance of Scripture. This is very sad.
I know of Muslims in countries where there are no Churches who have come to trust Christ as a result of Christ appearing in a dream to them and calling them to himself.
People who have entrusted themselves to the Gospel of Grace ARE His Church, His Body, His Bride.
Yes. The only way to salvation is through the redemption of Christ. That is why Christians are desperate to spread this news. No one has to go to hell, all they have to do is accept the sacrifice that Christ made for them and believe.
But outside of that, yes, they are stained with sin and will spend eternity in hell.
Some people prefer being outraged to knowing the thing they're outraged about.
How can a ‘local body’ be “the pillar and foundation of the truth”???
“But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” 1Tim 3:15
“But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” 1Tim 3:15
“Here Christ says, and Paul reaffirms, that the Church will always teach the TRUTH.
Actually, Paul does not say what you claim. He says the Church is the pillar and foundation. There are many times in history where churches have gone into error.
EXACTLY! One, not many.
Why, and I thought that Jesus was to be found in the Protestant Cafeteria of 30,000 delicious sects!
...who began his Papacy facilitating communion at the Vatican for Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi.
It’s evidently okay to trash the other sacraments, but step right up for the Host.
Completly (sic) following Scripture
I'd have to have a little more context before making a judgment. Is he saying you cannot have Christ without being a part of the Church (the worldwide body of believers, saved by grace through faith, irrespective of denominational association); or you cannot have Christ without being a part of the Roman Catholic church?
If the first, I whole-heartedly agree: once you belong to Christ you are a part of the Church, the Bride of Christ. You are part of the Church by virtue of your relationship with Christ, and cannot have Christ living in your heart without being a part of the Church.
If the second, then I agree that the Pope is very far off base. I hope this is not the case, because I think the Catholic Church needs a leader who is more knowledgeable of the Bible than that statement would indicate.
So one must have the secret Catholic decoder ring to understand what this man plainly said? See now I have had up front and personal nearly 40 years of this same mentality of not being able to have or be near Christ because I was not stamped Catholic.... It is not outrage, it is 'righteousness indignation' there is a vast difference in the two. Most especially when it has been those CINOS that obviously have this church's Christ that have been in charge of making a mockery of what our founding 'fathers' put into writing.... God gives unalienable rights that no flesh man or government can give or take... Look who in the numbers are all about fixing that big problem.
The earth physical church is buildings where Christians and non-Christians go. The spiritual church is all who believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit - I belong to this one.
Complete false teaching.
Then the Pope hasn’t looked very hard.
Heresies were dealt with from the beginning of the Church, and the Church has dealt with those introducing false teachings through the ages.
Paul warned us this would happen, "For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." (2 Tim. 4:3–4).
Martin Luther was one of these men Paul warned us about. He so wanted to believe in his view of salvation by faith alone that he tried to remove James from the Bible. "You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone." James 2:24. You have to go through mental and verbal gymnastics to say the clear language of the Bible does not really say what it really says. This is one reason the Catholic Church protected the Bible in the early days. A hand written copy would be guarded as a treasure because of its rare nature, but more importantly to prevent false copies from circulating and supporting heresy.
Fortunately, we have Christ’s promise that heresies will never prevail against the Church. They will arise, endure sometimes for centuries, like Protestantism, but we can be confident in Christ’s promise that the Church will always teach the Truth.
and that One is JESUS not the pope
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