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To: Diego1618

Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Since the word Week is sabbaths, by YOUR reconning this man fasted twice on sabbath day.

Did he eat breakfast, skip lunch, then supper?

It has been pointed out that at the time of Jesus, the Pharisees had a fast on Tuesday and Thursday, so the use of the word “twice in the sabbaths” is correctly translated twice in the week, as the KJV and all other translations have it.

Since you don’t have any confidence in Lightfoot, who spent his life in REAL bible study how about these quotes.

Bava Kama describes ten enactments ordained by a man named Ezra, including the public reading of the law “on the second and fifth days of the sabbath,” and the washing of clothes “on the fifth day of the sabbath” (Lightfoot, 2:375; Bava Kama, Chapter 7).

In Michael Rodkinson’s 1918 translation of Maccoth and Bava Kama, he accurately translated “the second day of the sabbath” as Monday, “the fifth day of the sabbath” as Thursday, and “the first of the sabbath” as Sunday.

http://www.apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?category=11&article=2022

I’ll still stick with these learned men rather than some johny-come-lately who has gone of on a real tangent.


222 posted on 05/14/2013 12:56:28 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn, the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; Diego1618

>> Bava Kama describes ten enactments ordained by a man named Ezra, including the public reading of the law “on the second and fifth days of the sabbath,” and the washing of clothes “on the fifth day of the sabbath” (Lightfoot, 2:375; <<

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Do you realize that those ‘enactments,’ or ‘Takanots,’ are exactly what Yeshua condemned in Matthew 15?

How does one respect as “authority” another that uses contra-scriptural ‘enactments’ as a basis for his teaching?


227 posted on 05/14/2013 2:34:58 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. Since the word Week is sabbaths, by YOUR reckoning this man fasted twice on sabbath day.

The text represents the Hebrew, "I fast twice with respect to the Sabbath"....in other words......the Pharisee is reckoning time with a reference to the Sabbath. If Sabbath had meant week he would had said, "I fast twice a seven" (EBDOMA/ἕβδομα). He was being pious....pointing out how righteous he was by using this phrase which included the word Sabbath.

How do you suppose the Greek of [Luke 18:12] became written that way? The Pharisees fasted on Mondays and Thursdays and this was not common knowledge to the translators....and since they had already convinced everyone that SABBATWN meant week it was certainly no stretch to convince folks that SABBATOU also meant week.

By Jesus' time fasting had become a very important part of the Jewish life. Perhaps overly important would be a better way of saying it. Based on Luke 18:12, we know the Pharisees fasted twice a week. The Talmud tells us that this was on the 2nd and 5th day (Monday and Thursday). Why those days? According to the Pharisees it was because Moses went up on Mt. Sinai to get the Law on the 5th day and returned on the 2nd. At least that's what they said."

Look closely into Jewish history, you find another possible reason for the Pharisees fasting on Monday and Thursday. Market day in the city of Jerusalem was on the 2nd and 5th day! Everyone from the countryside came to town on those days. It was on these two days that the Pharisees chose to hold their fasts. They would walk through the streets with their hair disheveled; they would put on old clothes and cover themselves with dirt; they would cover their faces with white chalk in order to look pale; and they would dump ashes over their head as a sign of their humility!! Fasting had become a "look-at-how-spiritual-I-am" exercise. It was a hypocrisy.

Fasting

GEMARA: Who are meant by private individuals (in this Mishna)? Said R. Huna: "The rabbis." We have learned in a Boraitha that if private individuals commenced to keep the fast-days, they should fast on Monday, Thursday, and the following Monday; and they may interrupt their fast-days if a Monday or a Thursday fall on the day of the new moon or on such days as are mentioned in the Roll of Fasts.

Talmud

228 posted on 05/14/2013 3:46:39 PM PDT by Diego1618 ( Put "Ron" on the rock!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

1/3 the Beast!!!!


233 posted on 05/14/2013 4:22:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

You might wan to see Gilll on Lk. 8:12: http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/luke-18-12.html

And overall, I notice that the main sabbathtarian and dietary laws arguments here are much like conspiratorial theories stated as fact, typically entailing a complicated construct which include various presuppositions, including that sabbatwn is never used to denote a weekly sabbath, and that “the law” (which collectively can refer to that which began at Horeb: Mal. 4:4) as containing abrogated laws that were shadows can never include anything from Horeb, and Rm. 14 refers to pagan temple meats.

All of which is asserted as fact, and infers one is a second class soul or lost for not observing the 7th day, while dismissing the opposition as too dumb to get it or having an evil motive.

All of which is required in order to justify a command of cardinal importance, because it lacks reiteration like the other 9, and instead teaching is given which refers to sabbath days and dietary laws as shadows, and special observance of days a matter of liberty, and even the more ancient everlasting covenant of circumcision is abrogated.

For me, i see the focus in the NT is on Christ and holy living in having holy affections and moral living as often expressed, which is not not on diet or the 7th day.


247 posted on 05/15/2013 10:18:58 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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