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WHY ARE OUR CATHOLIC LAITY SO ILLITERATE WHEN IT COMES TO THE CATHOLIC FAITH
Southern Orders ^ | May 31, 2013 | Fr. Allan J. McDonald

Posted on 05/31/2013 2:44:05 PM PDT by NYer

WHY ARE OUR CATHOLIC LAITY SO ILLITERATE WHEN IT COMES TO THE CATHOLIC FAITH--BLAME THE TEXT BOOKS, BLAME THE TEACHING METHODS AND BLAME THE PARENTS, BUT BLAME THE BISHOPS, PRIESTS AND CATECHISTS TOO, BLAME EVERYONE INCLUDING SATAN, EXCEPT NO ONE TEACHES ABOUT HIM ANYMORE OTHER THAN POPE FRANCIS, DON'T BLAME HIM!

Do our Catholic children and most adults know what these images teach?

All of us know one of the elephants in the room of the Catholic Church. Our religious education programs are not handing on the essence of our Catholic Faith, our parents are befuddled about their role in handing on the faith and the materials we use are vapid or if good do not make an impression on young minds. We are afraid of asking for memorization and thus most don't remember anything they've learned about God and Church other than some niceties and feel good emotions.

I teach each class of our grades 1-6 (we don't have 7th or 8th) each Thursday, rotating classes from week to week. For the last two years I have used Baltimore Catechism #1 as my text book. It is wonderful to use with children and it is so simple yet has so much content. If Catholics, all Catholics, simply studied Baltimore Catechism #1, we would have very knowledgeable Catholics.

These past two years I've used Baltimore Catechism #2 with our adult religious program which we call Coffee and Conversation following our 9:30 AM Sunday Mass, which coincides with our CCD program which we call PREP (Parish Religious Education Program).

This #2 book has more content and is for middle school, but upper elementary school children must have been more capable of more serious content back when this book was formulated and used through the mid 1960's because it is a great book to use with adults and not childish at all. We all use this same book as a supplemental book for the RCIA because it is so clear, nobly simple and chocked full of content!

Yes, there are some adjustments that need to be made to some chapters, but not that many, in light of Vatican II and the new emphasis we have on certain aspects of Church that are not present in the Baltimore Catechism. But these are really minor.

What is more important though is that when the Baltimore Catechism was used through the mid 1960's it was basically the only book that was used for children in elementary and junior high school. It was used across the board in the USA thus uniting all Catholics in learning the same content. There was not, in other words, a cottage industry of competing publishing houses selling new books and different content each year.

The same thing has occurred with liturgical music, a cottage industry of big bucks has developed around the sale of new hymnals, missalettes and new music put on the open market for parishes to purchase. It is a money making scheme.

Why do our bishop allow this to happen in both liturgical music and parish catechesis? The business of selling stuff to parishes and making mega bucks off of it is a scandal that has not be addressed.

In the meantime, our liturgies suffer and become fragmented because every parish uses a different resource for liturgical music and the same is true of religious formation, everyone uses something different of differing quality or no quality at all.

Isn't it time to wake up and move forward with tried and true practices that were tossed out in favor of a consumerist's approach to our faith that has weakened our liturgies, our parishes and our individual Catholics?


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catechism; catholic; catholicsects; ignorantprotestants; papalpromotion; traditionalcatholic
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To: boatbums
"I have this faint, but sure, memory of some FRoman Catholics mocking and belittling anyone who isn't a Catholic for using the Baltimore Catechism for citations used in discussions of Catholic beliefs."

I will take credit for that. The Baltimore Catechism was a primer for children and beginners. Its purpose was to introduce Catholic teaching and terminology. Is is a good starting point, but is is NOT the definitive end all I have this vivid and sure memory of some FRanti-Catholics claiming it was something it was not.

421 posted on 05/31/2013 10:45:25 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law
CCC 86 "Yet this Magisterium is not superior to the Word of God, but is its servant. It teaches only what has been handed on to it.

CCC 85 "The task of giving an authentic interpretation of the Word of God, whether in its written form or in the form of Tradition, has been entrusted to the living teaching office of the Church alone. Its authority in this matter is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ."47 This means that the task of interpretation has been entrusted to the bishops in communion with the successor of Peter, the Bishop of Rome.

That's a curious thing...The same word of God that your religion claims gives your religion the authority to teach and alter and correct the word of God is the same word of God that condemns your religion at every turn...

422 posted on 05/31/2013 10:51:30 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Salvation
Father Christopher Renger's, O.F.M. book on the 33 Doctors is frequently quoted and his book is listed in the doctoral sources. There is also a concise, one page, historical summary on each of the 73 books of the bible listed at the end.

Did the good Dr. also mention that Jerome did not believe there were 73 legitimate, inspired books in the bible???

423 posted on 05/31/2013 10:54:51 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
"That's a curious thing..."

I am going to file your opinion under "I" for irrelevant.

424 posted on 05/31/2013 10:57:41 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: Iscool
"Did the good Dr. also mention that Jerome did not believe there were 73 legitimate, inspired books in the bible??? "Even if St. Jerome had said this (which he clearly did not) it would not have mattered because St. Jerome was not infallible and was obedient to Pope Damasus.
425 posted on 05/31/2013 11:03:27 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
"Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrnaeans, 107 AD

Oh, good ole Iggy...It's difficult to know if Ingatius really existed, since the writings attributed to him were forged by other people a couple a hunderd years later...

But even if Iggy actually did write that, we know there was no capital 'C' on catholic, don't we...That forgery as well was added later by your religion...

426 posted on 05/31/2013 11:05:24 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

Clickable source please.


427 posted on 05/31/2013 11:05:42 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Before or after he became Catholic?

After...

428 posted on 05/31/2013 11:07:17 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Salvation
The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ. Where do you get the idea that someone else founded it?

Your religion was founded by Peter Magus who was crucified upside down in Rome...Peter the Apostle never set foot in Rome...

429 posted on 05/31/2013 11:09:18 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: verga
You may have listgend, but I am certain you didn't understand, or else you would still be Catholic.

You are funny...I never was a Catholic...Except that I have been baptized and some of you guys say that everyone who is baptized is Catholic...

430 posted on 05/31/2013 11:14:21 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ. Historical proof:

What is the History of Your Church?

 

Church Year Established Founder Where Established
 
Catholic 33 Jesus Christ Jerusalem
 
Orthodox 1054 Schismatic Catholic
Bishops
Constantinople
 
Lutheran 1517 Martin Luther Germany
 
Anabaptist 1521 Nicholas Storch &
Thomas Munzer
Germany
 
Anglican 1534 Henry VIII England
 
Mennonites 1536 Menno Simons Switzerland
 
Calvinist 1555 John Calvin Switzerland
 
Presbyterian 1560 John Knox Scotland
 
Congregational 1582 Robert Brown Holland
 
Baptist 1609 John Smyth Amsterdam
 
Dutch Reformed 1628 Michaelis Jones New York
 
Congregationalist 1648 Pilgrims and Puritans Massachusetts
 
Quakers 1649 George Fox England
 
Amish 1693 Jacob Amman France
 
Freemasons 1717 Masons from four lodges London
 
Methodist 1739 John & Charles
Wesley
England
 
Unitarian 1774 Theophilus Lindey London
 
Methodist Episcopal 1784 60 Preachers Baltimore, MD
 
Episcopalian 1789 Samuel Seabury American Colonies
 
United Brethren 1800 Philip Otterbein &
Martin Boehn
Maryland
 
Disciples of Christ 1827 Thomas & Alexander
Campbell
Kentucky
 
Mormon 1830 Joseph Smith New York
 
Methodist Protestant 1830 Methodist United States
 
Church of Christ 1836 Warren Stone &
Alexander Campbell
Kentucky
 
Seventh Day Adventist 1844 Ellen White Washington, NH
 
Christadelphian (Brethren
of Christ
1844 John Thomas Richmond, VA
 
Salvation Army 1865 William Booth London
 
Holiness 1867 Methodist United States
 
Jehovah's Witnesses 1874 Charles Taze Russell Pennsylvania
 
Christian Science 1879 Mary Baker Eddy Boston
 
Church of God in Christ 1895 Various churches of God Arkansas
 
Church of Nazarene c. 1850-1900 Various religious bodies Pilot Point, TX
 
Pentecstal 1901 Charles F. Parkham Topeka, KS
 
Aglipayan 1902 Gregorio Aglipay Philippines
 
Assemblies of God 1914 Pentecostalism Hot Springs, AZ
 
Iglesia ni Christo 1914 Felix Manalo Philippines
 
Four-square Gospel 1917 Aimee Semple
McPherson
Los Angeles, CA
 
United Church of Christ 1961 Reformed and
Congregationalist
Philadelphia, PA
 
Calvary Chapel 1965 Chuck Smith Costa Mesa, CA
 
United Methodist 1968 Methodist and United
Brethren
Dallas, TX
 
Born-again c. 1970s Various religious bodies United States
 
Harvest Christian 1972 Greg Laurie Riverside, CA
 
Saddleback 1982 Rick Warren California
 
Non-denominational c. 1990s various United States

431 posted on 05/31/2013 11:15:12 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Heart-Rest
So they should have checked with you for your superior, authoritative, infallible interpretation of what all the various biblical texts really mean before they discussed them?

They would be far better off if they would...

But the point is, both of them when supposedly quoting scripture leave words out or add or change words that are there...They then go off expounding on the scripture they added...

If you guys would follow along in a bible when they are teaching, you'd be floored as well...

432 posted on 05/31/2013 11:18:40 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: bkaycee
Amen! But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. (2 Cor. 11:3)
433 posted on 05/31/2013 11:21:42 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Iscool
"we know there was no capital 'C' on catholic, don't we...

You don't suppose the fact that Koine Greek had no capital letters had something to do with that, do you?

434 posted on 05/31/2013 11:24:39 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: verga
Can a baby sin? Can a menatlly retarded person sin?, You just admitted that Jesus didn't sin, so all, doesn't mean ALL!

You learned that after you became Catholic didn't you??? After they told you Mary never sinned...

435 posted on 05/31/2013 11:28:55 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: bkaycee; Former Fetus

I can vouch for the same experience. I never even SAW a Bible unless we were visiting my Southern Baptist grandparents. I went to Catholic school from the third through the eighth grade and, even in religion class, the Bible was NEVER used or referenced. This was late 1950-1960’s. Sure, it supposedly has changed now, but those RCs denying our experiences and calling us liars are flat out wrong.


436 posted on 05/31/2013 11:32:11 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
I doubt you're even remotely familiar with either the Apostolic or ante-Nicene Church. Polycarp? Ignatius? Clement? Hermas? Barnabus? Papias? Anyone? Anyone?

Polycarp never wrote anything that could remotely be construed to catalog him as a Catholic...Ignatius' writings were forged by the Catholic religion and who knows about the rest...

437 posted on 05/31/2013 11:32:27 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
"Your religion was founded by Peter Magus who was crucified upside down in Rome...Peter the Apostle never set foot in Rome... "

Peter Magnus is a fictitious character invented but rabid anti-Catholics who believe that lying for God will please Him. You brought him up, now prove he existed.

438 posted on 05/31/2013 11:40:40 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: Salvation
Someone finally posts the truth!

Truth for that one person, maybe, and could have had a lot to do with his age and attention span rather than quantity of Bible teaching. It's certainly NOT the truth in my experience. It took a Southern Baptist Sunday school teacher opening the Bible to John 10:27-30 and letting me read it for myself (for the very first time!) that led me to saving faith in Jesus Christ. Here's what I read:

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.

The Holy Spirit opened my eyes to the truth of the glorious gospel of the grace of God. I wonder if that passage is ever included in the Catholic Church's liturgy these days?

439 posted on 05/31/2013 11:40:43 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
"I wonder if that passage is ever included in the Catholic Church's liturgy these days?"

It is read during every Easter season, including those years you claim to have been Catholic, yet you say he first time you ever heard it was from a Southern Baptist Sunday School teacher. FYI-It was read on April 21st this year.

440 posted on 05/31/2013 11:49:59 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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