Posted on 05/31/2013 2:44:05 PM PDT by NYer
Do our Catholic children and most adults know what these images teach?
All of us know one of the elephants in the room of the Catholic Church. Our religious education programs are not handing on the essence of our Catholic Faith, our parents are befuddled about their role in handing on the faith and the materials we use are vapid or if good do not make an impression on young minds. We are afraid of asking for memorization and thus most don't remember anything they've learned about God and Church other than some niceties and feel good emotions.
I teach each class of our grades 1-6 (we don't have 7th or 8th) each Thursday, rotating classes from week to week. For the last two years I have used Baltimore Catechism #1 as my text book. It is wonderful to use with children and it is so simple yet has so much content. If Catholics, all Catholics, simply studied Baltimore Catechism #1, we would have very knowledgeable Catholics.
These past two years I've used Baltimore Catechism #2 with our adult religious program which we call Coffee and Conversation following our 9:30 AM Sunday Mass, which coincides with our CCD program which we call PREP (Parish Religious Education Program).
This #2 book has more content and is for middle school, but upper elementary school children must have been more capable of more serious content back when this book was formulated and used through the mid 1960's because it is a great book to use with adults and not childish at all. We all use this same book as a supplemental book for the RCIA because it is so clear, nobly simple and chocked full of content!
Yes, there are some adjustments that need to be made to some chapters, but not that many, in light of Vatican II and the new emphasis we have on certain aspects of Church that are not present in the Baltimore Catechism. But these are really minor.
What is more important though is that when the Baltimore Catechism was used through the mid 1960's it was basically the only book that was used for children in elementary and junior high school. It was used across the board in the USA thus uniting all Catholics in learning the same content. There was not, in other words, a cottage industry of competing publishing houses selling new books and different content each year.
The same thing has occurred with liturgical music, a cottage industry of big bucks has developed around the sale of new hymnals, missalettes and new music put on the open market for parishes to purchase. It is a money making scheme.
Why do our bishop allow this to happen in both liturgical music and parish catechesis? The business of selling stuff to parishes and making mega bucks off of it is a scandal that has not be addressed.
In the meantime, our liturgies suffer and become fragmented because every parish uses a different resource for liturgical music and the same is true of religious formation, everyone uses something different of differing quality or no quality at all.
Isn't it time to wake up and move forward with tried and true practices that were tossed out in favor of a consumerist's approach to our faith that has weakened our liturgies, our parishes and our individual Catholics?
Not getting an answer, eh?
Not surprised......
You can find what doesn't exist.
Since there's no official infallible interpretation of Scritprue by the Catholic church, I guess that means it's every (Catholic) man for himself in interpreting the Bible.
Their own personal "Catholic" interpretation of Scripture.
If you get a reply to that, be sure and ping me, OK?
V: Yes that would be Jesus that gave His Church that authority:
Mat 16:19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
So, Jesus authorized the burning of heretics at the stake?
Could you give us chapter and verse on that?
Is that the Roman Catholic church, officially approved, infallible interpretation of that verse?
Just when you think you heard it all....
Doesn't it want to make all the former Catholics just want to run right back into the churches loving arms again?
NOT!!!!!
So the real issue isn’t,
“Scott Hahn changes words,”
but rather,
“the Catholic church inteprets words in a way that I disagree.”
I guess this raises the question - if two people have a scriptural dispute how does it get settled?
“Doesn’t it want to make all the former Catholics just want to run right back into the churches loving arms again?”
Which church do you belong to?
I grew up in the Catholic Church, attended Sunday School, studied Catechism, was Confirmed, etc. Never got the message of the Love and Sacrifice of Jesus and what it meant to me because they concentrated on topics that might have well been doctorate crap. I ended up being an agnostic for decades until one day, I sat down in a non-denominational church and the message rang loud and clear. The message can be lost when high-level theology and doctrine are the topics more than the pure and simple message.
Computers USED to flash "syntax error" when the language just didn't make sense, and I'm beginning to wonder ... whatever happened to that?
It's up to ME?
Your request of "it's up to me" is in response to my reply #192 to A.A.C.; which was a reply to his #141
His 141 said; "Catholics don't worship the Blessed Virgin Mary despite what you might have been told."
which I replied in 192 that he should tell that to GPH who said in #204; .. in part ..
"As soon as she came to herself she rushed and threw herself at the feet of Saint Dominic and told him all that had happened, begged his forgiveness and promised to say the Rosary faithfully every day. By this means she rose to Christian perfection and finally to the glory of everlasting life.”
The entire #204 is ALL ABOUT making Mary more than God.
And yoou want Me to cite chapter and verse regarding the rosary??
SYNTAX ERROR
Do you realize the code for taking up the collection is;
"Dominic, Go Frisk'em"
???
Documentation please. From a real source. Encyclopedia Britannica, is fine, Jack Chick will not cut it.
And the Catholics wish the anti-Catholics would stop playing them. Seriously read some of the really ignorant posts of some of your brethren and in some cases sisters.
Perfect example of the "games" you all play. No one with an IQ above "dull normal" could be this obtuse, except intentionally.
Yes that would be Jesus that gave His Church that authority:
Are you saying you affirm papal sanctioned torture of suspected "heretics" or even possible witnesses?
Sure it is. Hahn and Staples left after careful study of the Bible and for sound doctrinal reasons. your guys left to get a little humana, humana, wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Same as Martin Luther, Bart Brewer, etc....
Fetus left out in this post but made clear in a later one was that the "bible" he brought to school was a KJV and that is why the good sister took it from him.
Iscool is engaging in mind reading again.
One of the most fascinating discoveries I ever made was to realize that the solar system models of Tycho and Galileo were essentially identical, they only differed in which object you declared “fixed”.
“What do you know about how much Scripture the average Protestant church reads on Sunday?”
An average Catholic goes through the whole bible in Mass in three years. No Protestant church I ever went to did that.
That would be like me coming into a thread about teaching the Baptists how to best teach them the Baptist faith. I'm sure that wouldn't go over so well.
Izzy is indeed correct. The Holy Spirit levitated Peter's living breathing body to Rome, inverted it, placed it on the cross, and then magically transported the body to the catacombs for burial.
I know I saw it when I was there with L. Ron Hubbard.
Izzy you are so gosh darn cute when you try to appear well read. Now please be quite while the adults are trying to have a conversation.
As i recall, the psychological attraction of Mary had much to do with at least one of the conversions, while the RC polemic against their Prot. counterparts is the same as is used by the Masons, that no one who breaks his vows can be trusted.
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