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National Catholic support for Scouts on gays
Seattle PI ^ | 06/03/2013

Posted on 06/04/2013 8:30:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind
The Good Lord declares homosexuality “an abomination.” Thus, there is no debate, discussion or different points of view. And yes there are versus in the bible that state that God Hates the sinner. Are people so stupid as to think God loves the soul in hell?
21 posted on 06/04/2013 9:00:26 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Pyro7480
Thank you. I'm going to repeat your post (I encourage readers to go to the OP for the links):

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This looks like liberal media cherry-picking. The same National Catholic Committee on Scouting statement underlined this:

-"Any sexual conduct, whether homosexual or heterosexual, by youth of Scouting age is contrary to the virtues of Scouting."

-"As Catholics, we believe that engaging in sexual activity outside of a marriage is immoral (CCC [Catechism of the Catholic Church] 2396)."

A previous statement issued by that body immediately after the BSA vote was even more explicit: "The Catholic Church teaches that people who experience a homosexual inclination or a same sex attraction are to be treated with respect recognizing the dignity of all persons. The Church's teaching is clear that engaging in sexual activity outside of marriage is immoral. Individuals who are open and avowed homosexuals promoting and engaging in homosexual conduct are not living lives consistent with Catholic teaching."

22 posted on 06/04/2013 9:00:49 AM PDT by kidd
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To: SeekAndFind
Supposedly, according to one interpretation, the third secret of Fatima foretold of infiltration and the compromising and weakening the Church's stances on Biblical principles, essentially causing the Church's failure and fall to the dark side, so to speak.

It's interesting (to me) to think about, especially when I read of all the Church's internal scandals, problems, and compromises and hear personal testimonies of current and former Catholics that support that Fatima interpretation.

Things have changed rapidly in my lifetime, in positive ways at first, but then a sharp turn away from that path to something very different.

There are many sorts of warfare and this is an interesting sort of war we're in, but it's likely to turn into one of the more familiar versions soon. God, help us.

23 posted on 06/04/2013 9:04:01 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Cicero

To me this is infuriating. The Church seems unwilling to take a definite stand on the push to legitimize gay sex. Maybe I am being paranoid, but it seems that the council the Church gives is divided. It keeps giving mixed signals. On the one hand, the doctrine is clear. On the other hand, they don’t act as if it were.


24 posted on 06/04/2013 9:09:57 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: SeekAndFind

One of our jobs is to protect our kids from perverts....not encourage their presence. They’re ALL predators....there is no other way to increase their numbers. They solicit.


25 posted on 06/04/2013 9:11:32 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I note that this priest’s parish has the Traditional Latin Mass. I’m not surprised by this detail at all.


26 posted on 06/04/2013 9:11:56 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

But God does call sinners to repent, which is love by God in itself.


27 posted on 06/04/2013 9:17:36 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Pyro7480

There is a coming schism between a significant chunk of the American Catholic Church and Rome. While there are still many traditional parishes, priests and bishops, there are a growing number who have adopted the “kumbaya” approach to Christianity that we’ve seen destroy the Episcopalian, Methodist and Prysbyterian churches (and the United Church in Canada). When the split comes the Roman Catholic Church in Canada and the US will be a much smaller, but more faithful congregation. The new American Catholic Church will quickly decline into irrelevance.


28 posted on 06/04/2013 9:21:56 AM PDT by littleharbour ("All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree. ~ James Madison)
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To: SeekAndFind

And they wonder why attendance has declined.


29 posted on 06/04/2013 9:29:04 AM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: RobbyS

Don’t confuse a prudential statement with the teaching of the Church.


30 posted on 06/04/2013 9:30:19 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Cicero

Well put.

The letter is using a narrow legalistic interpretation to conclude ‘no problem, no violation’, while in fact the big picture is moving toward accommodation of the homosexual lifestyle and away from biblical proscription of the abomination. As you correctly point out, the letter is passively facilitating that which any real Christian should be actively and openly opposing.


31 posted on 06/04/2013 9:36:20 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: RobbyS

Don’t confuse progressive propaganda coming out of liberal ‘Catholic’ committees (especially American ones) with the teachings of the Church.


32 posted on 06/04/2013 9:39:39 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

great minds or at least Catholic minds post alike


33 posted on 06/04/2013 9:41:26 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Da Coyote

Try the Latin Mass. It is exactly like the church I remember before Vatican II. Many in the parish home school their children.


34 posted on 06/04/2013 9:59:07 AM PDT by MondoQueen
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To: SeekAndFind

Not in conflict? Say, what?!?


35 posted on 06/04/2013 10:02:36 AM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: Biggirl

No argument. God’s love was a major purpose for Christ and Christ calls for-repentance!


36 posted on 06/04/2013 10:13:37 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: SeekAndFind
So the new BSA policy "is not in conflict with Catholic teaching"? That's nice. Does this mean that the previous BSA policy on homosexuals was in conflict with Catholic teaching? Because the policy has done a 180. Previously homosexuals were excluded, now they're welcomed.

Is Martin telling us that Catholic teaching can be tortured, twisted and stretched to accomodate both of these positions?

Going along to get along has severely wounded Catholicism in the US. The urge to make Jesus a sign of compromise rather than a sign of contradiction has done untold harm.

37 posted on 06/04/2013 10:14:48 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: Resolute Conservative

This former Catholic hoped the church would do the right thing. But I guess they had no interest in doing so.


38 posted on 06/04/2013 10:25:03 AM PDT by darkangel82
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To: SeekAndFind

you know we’re near the end when a church comes out in defense of a pro-homosexual policy and rebukes a priest who’s correct on the issue.

we don’t need the rcc to explain the policy change, we know exactly what it means and we know it’s ridiculous and arbitrary and is a slippery slope on purpose, and we know sodomy is not part of being morally straight.


39 posted on 06/04/2013 10:54:21 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

sorry, i see it’s the acc, not the rcc.


40 posted on 06/04/2013 10:55:22 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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