Posted on 06/20/2013 2:52:25 PM PDT by NYer
"As a practicing and respectful Catholic, this is sacred ground to me when we talk about this. This shouldn't have anything to do with politics."
What a bald face liar!!!
For Pelosi and her far Left minions abortion has always been politics. A Woman’s Right to Choose has been a rallying cry and a cudgel with which to beat conservative Republicans as long as she has been in office.
Lies are Nancy’s political tool of choice. She lies about the racism of conservatives, she lies about the superiority of socialized medicine, she lies about poverty in America, she lies about the suppression of the black vote.
I could go on but this is aggravating my blood pressure.
I don’t know if Nancy attends Mass regularly and takes communion or not but I can’t imagine that being denied communion would bother her much. I would imagine that if she were excommunicated she would simply use that fact as a political tool like any other action of a conservative nature.
Unfortunately, the influence of money plays a big part in the lack of fortitude of the RCC hierachy to crack down on wayward Catholics, especially politicians..
Incorrect, yet again. Wuerl isn't Pelosi's Bishop, a fact which escapes you and which you coveniently omitted.
And second? Pelosi, as a San Franciscan, "isn't part of my flock!''
One would think that after having been caught engaging in dishonest behavior time after time, you'd stop that nonsense. However, your lack of character and integrity always seems to percolate to the surface, doesn't it? You simply can't help yourself.
If Cordileone contacted Wuerl and informed him that Pelosi was under an interdict and could not receive Communion, Wuerl would be obligated to comply just as he was obligated to comply, albeit reluctantly, with Naumann regarding Sebelius.
Unfair comparison. Prostitutes practice chastity more often than democrats practice honesty.
Actually, her ordinary is the archbishop of San Francisco, which ought to free Archbishop of any scruples in co-signing that letter.
Wuerl is not Pelosi's "home" bishop, but rather is the bishop over DC. That said, he still should refuse her, but it's really up to her SF bishop re whether she's a "Catholic in good standing" or not.
Thanks for correcting me. I knew that Pelosi had a bishop "back home", and a different one giving her communion in DC, but I had mistakenly accorded Wuerl with being the bishop "back home". I was remembering the roles exactly as you describe them, but had Wuerl in the wrong location.
He might not refuse her communion, but he could basically tell her that she has no right to declare what is Catholic doctrine. What is he afraid of?
And that is why the Pope must do it....because he can.
Can. 916 A person who is conscious of grave sin is not to celebrate Mass or receive the body of the Lord without previous sacramental confession unless there is a grave reason and there is no opportunity to confess; in this case the person is to remember the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition which includes the resolution of confessing as soon as possible.- http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P39.HTM
But as i understand it, the decision to excommunicated is left to the local ordinary, though he can be overruled. See more on this issue here. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2901874/posts?page=68#68
And then you have the interpretation of men like the aforementioned Wuerl
" . "I stand with the great majority of American bishops and bishops around the world in saying this canon [Canon 915] was never intended to be used this way.'' -- http://www.canonlaw.info/2009/03/abps-wuerl-c-916-burke-cc-915-916-on.html
Also, according to Canon 1184 §, unless they gave some signs of repentance before death, the following must be deprived of ecclesiastical funerals: 1/ notorious apostates, heretics, and schismatics; 2/ those who chose the cremation of their bodies for reasons contrary to Christian faith; 3/ other manifest sinners who cannot be granted ecclesiastical funerals without public scandal of the faithful. (http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P4X.HTM; http://www.ewtn.com/library/liturgy/zlitur280.htm)
Yet the overall practice of Rome is to treat liberal RCs as member in life and in death, and thus souls as Teddy Kennedy to Hugo Chavez have been granted ecclesiastical funerals, perhaps because they no longer result in much public scandal of the faithful.
However Scripture commands concerning such reproved but impenitent professed members,
"But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. " (1 Corinthians 5:11-13)
"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. " (Romans 16:17)
"And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. " (2 Thessalonians 3:14)
+1
It's not my fault. She's not my responsibility.
Nobody has the guts to take a stand and ex-communicate her.
Talk is cheap. When the Catholic church puts some actions to its words, then they'll have some credibility.
The RCC is a worldly organization - here’s the rules and if you don’t follow them - it’s OK. We aim to please ‘man’.
And if she DOESN’T?
Will they have the, uh, gonads to EXCOMMUNICATE her?
As the link you offer for substantiation of "a fact which escapes you and which you coveniently omitted," inferring motive, was actually posted by Murphy, i doubt it was intentional, but perhaps a lack of careful reading or memory.
I'm afraid that I am guilty of this WAY too often!
Me also.
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