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To: vladimir998; SoFloFreeper
No, actually you’ll spend some time in Purgatory. We’ll pray for you. You’ll be fine.

Except that there's no such thing as purgatory. Not one verse of Scripture supports the doctrine.

On the contrary, Paul says that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord and in Hebrews, that it is appointed to men once to die and after this the judgment.

I suppose that when many Catholics are suffering torment in hell, they'll need to console themselves that it is only temporary even though it's not.

87 posted on 06/22/2013 8:51:22 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
Except that there's no such thing as purgatory. Not one verse of Scripture supports the doctrine.

On the contrary, Paul says that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord and in Hebrews, that it is appointed to men once to die and after this the judgment.

It is so cute when you act like you have actually read the Bible.

When Jesus dies on the cross where did he go?

Did He go to Heaven? According to your out of context quote He must have. But that is not what the Bible says is it?

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 1Pe 3:19 in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, 1Pe 3:20 because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.

And of course don't forget this one:

1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

And we know he did not go to Hell/ Hades to do this.

Act 2:31 he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.

Let's not forget this one:

Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Not in Heaven , not in Hell. Hmmmm must be in a third place. I know let's call it purgatory.

117 posted on 06/23/2013 4:23:34 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: metmom

you wrote:

“Except that there’s no such thing as purgatory.”

Yes, there is.

“Not one verse of Scripture supports the doctrine.”

Actually a number of verses do.

“On the contrary, Paul says that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord and in Hebrews, that it is appointed to men once to die and after this the judgment.”

One of the problems Protestants have when discussing Christian doctrines is their own ignorance about them. I can’t tell you how many times Protestants have attacked doctrines they clearly do not understand. You’re doing it right now.

1) St. Paul was right for what he was speaking about to whom he was speaking. That in no way negates the reality of Purgatory. Go back and read verse 1 of that passage and you’ll see St. Paul is talking about the glorified body we will receive after death (”For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.”). He’s not denying Purgatory. He’s affirming the Resurrection.

2) The idea “that it is appointed to men once to die and after this the judgment” also in no way negates the reality of Purgatory. We are judged and, if Purgatory is necessary, we undergo it.

“I suppose that when many Catholics are suffering torment in hell, they’ll need to console themselves that it is only temporary even though it’s not.”

I suppose that when many Protestants are suffering torment in hell they’ll fail to console themselves with the claim that they didn’t really know they were attacking Christ’s Church.


131 posted on 06/23/2013 5:06:58 AM PDT by vladimir998
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