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To: OneVike; HarleyD; P-Marlowe; mitch5501; xzins; Greetings_Puny_Humans; JesusBmyGod; buffyt; rom
I wholeheartedly reject John Calvin's reformed theology teaching.

John Calvin taught a lot of stuff. To wholeheartedly reject what he taught is to dismiss everything he wrote. For instance have you read The Institutes? Do you reject it all?

Have you read the Westminster Confession? Are there parts of it you agree with or do you reject it all?

I have learned that today's hyper Calvinists will not be swayed by any logical explanation given

Can you distinguish the difference between an ordinary run of the mill Calvinist and a "hyper Calvinist"?

Are there any on this thread that you would number among the latter?

17 posted on 06/25/2013 10:02:41 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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First off, Calvinism is but an extension of the pagan teachings Augustine brought into the church. Pagan concepts such as original sin, biblical predestination and election. While I agree predestination is taught in the scriptures, it is not taught the way Augustine and Calvin taught it.

The Roman Church, especially in the West, adapted Augustine's teachings as doctrine and began persecuted all dissenters out of existence over the next couple of centuries. To embrace original sin you, must negate man’s free will and their ability to obey God on their own.

If you honestly study the early church Saints along with the apostles, and yes including Paul, you will see they taught free will.

I already gave examples of the New Testament writers backing me on free will in my comment #13. However, if you read the writings of 2nd century Saints, you will see that they also believed and taught free will as it was taught to them by the 1st century Saints.

Tertullian:
“No reward can be justly bestowed, no punishment can be justly inflicted, upon him who is good or bad by necessity, and not by his own choice.

Justin Martyr:
“In the beginning, He made the human race with the power of thought and of choosing truth and doing right, so that all men are without excuse before God.”

Clement:
“If thou wilt be perfect.” Consequently he was not yet perfect. For nothing is more perfect than what is perfect. And divinely the expression “if thou wilt” showed the self-determination of the soul holding converse with Him. For choice depended on the man as being free; but the gift on God as the Lord. And He gives to those who are willing and are exceedingly earnest, and ask, that so their salvation may become their own. For God compels not (for compulsion is repugnant to God), but supplies to those who seek, and bestows on those who ask, and opens to those who knock
Nor shall he who is saved be saved against his will, for he is not inanimate; but he will above all voluntarily and of free choice speed to salvation. Wherefore also man received the commandments in order that he might be self-impelled, to whatever he wished of things to be chosen and to be avoided. Wherefore God does not do good by necessity, but from His free choice benefits those who spontaneously turn.


As for my disdain for Calvin's teachings, I will reserve any more comment on the man personally for God himself. For when a man's teachings lead millions astray from the truth, it is God he must eventually answer to. By now I am sure he has.

19 posted on 06/25/2013 10:53:59 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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