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Oy, vey!

There's no feasible way to chase down all these (100 new posts per hour) new replies... so I'll have to try a summary again:

1) Sola Scriptura is nowhere to be found in Scripture. Nowhere. Go check. And before you try to sling the same old verses (2 Timothy 3:16, etc.), may I please remind you of something (and I'll pray that people actually READ this, as opposed to skimming for chum to gobble)?

If a Scripture verse says that Scripture is good or necessary, or that people went to check it when making a spiritual discernment, the Catholic Church agrees with that, 100%!! Honestly. I'm not trying to pull a fast one on you! The Church loves the Bible, She knows that it's the Written Word of God, and She venerates it as She does the very Body of Christ (CCC 141). It's absolutely essential, and we need its contents for Salvation.

But.

But. (Are all the sola Scriptura folks listening, and not skimming anymore?)

But...

IT IS UNBIBLICAL, ILLOGICAL, AND JUST PLAIN LOCO TO INSIST THAT ANYONE SHOULD (OR MUST) USE IT ALONE!!!

Is THAT point now clear, at very least? Perhaps someone might respond to that?

(Advance caution: if anyone responds by citing a Scripture that praises or recommends the Scriptures for use, I'll sternly direct you back to this post, since no one who read this carefully and understood it would do such a thing. The same applies to emotional expressions of devotion to the Scriptures--e.g. "They're so PURE! They're so WONDERFUL! They're such a priceless GIFT! etc."--yes, they are. I agree wholeheartedly. But we're talking about Luther's pernicious IDEA (i.e. error) of directing that the Scriptures be used ALONE (the "SOLA" part of "sola Scriptura")... not about the Scriptures.

Is that now painfully, abundantly, excruciatingly clear? We (Catholics, and those of like mind) are fighting the SOLA... NOT the SCRIPTURA!!!

(*sputter*) Honestly...!
826 posted on 08/29/2013 1:44:34 PM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: paladinan
>>IT IS UNBIBLICAL, ILLOGICAL, AND JUST PLAIN LOCO TO INSIST THAT ANYONE SHOULD (OR MUST) USE IT ALONE!!!<<

There ya go. Address a post to “all” and then show your ignorance. Where has anyone ever said to use scripture “alone”? By that one comment you have shown that you do not understand what Sola Scriptura means. If you don’t know what something means it’s rather presumptuous to try to correct people on it. I would suggest you do some study on what Sola Scriptura actually means. It’s been explained on this forum many times but still you make a statement indicating to don’t understand it. I would suggest you sincerely pray and ask the Holy Spirit to enlighten you on what it means.

What is clear from your post is you have some work to do to understand the term "Sola Scriptura".

827 posted on 08/29/2013 1:58:31 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: paladinan

Here is a good definition of what is meant by Sola Scriptura.

“First of all, it is not a claim that the Bible contains all knowledge. The Bible is not exhaustive in every detail. John 21:25 speaks to the fact that there are many things that Jesus said and did that are not recorded in John, or in fact in any book in the world because the whole books of the world could not contain it. But the Bible does not have to be exhaustive to function as the sole rule of faith for the Church. We do not need to know the color of Thomas’ eyes. We do not need to know the menu of each meal of the Apostolic band for the Scriptures to function as the sole rule of faith for the Church.

Secondly, it is not a denial of the Church’s authority to teach God’s truth. I Timothy 3:15 describes the Church as “the pillar and foundation of the truth.” The truth is in Jesus Christ and in His Word. The Church teaches truth and calls men to Christ and, in so doing, functions as the pillar and foundation thereof. The Church does not add revelation or rule over Scripture. The Church being the bride of Christ, listens to the Word of Christ, which is found in God-breathed Scripture.

Thirdly, it is not a denial that God’s Word has been spoken. Apostolic preaching was authoritative in and of itself. Yet, the Apostles proved their message from Scripture, as we see in Acts 17:2, and 18:28, and John commended those in Ephesus for testing those who claimed to be Apostles, Revelation 2:2. The Apostles were not afraid to demonstrate the consistency between their teaching and the Old Testament.

And, finally, sola scriptura is not a denial of the role of the Holy Spirit in guiding and enlightening the Church.

What then is sola scriptura?

The doctrine of sola scriptura, simply stated, is that the Scriptures and the Scriptures alone are sufficient to function as the regula fide, the “rule of faith” for the Church. All that one must believe to be a Christian is found in Scripture and in no other source. That which is not found in Scripture is not binding upon the Christian conscience. To be more specific, I provide the following definition:

The Bible claims to be the sole and sufficient rule of faith for the Christian Church. The Scriptures are not in need of any supplement. Their authority comes from their nature as God-breathed revelation. Their authority is not dependent upon man, Church or council. The Scriptures are self-consistent, self-interpreting, and self-authenticating. The Christian Church looks at the Scriptures as the only and sufficient rule of faith and the Church is always subject to the Word, and is constantly reformed thereby.

http://vintage.aomin.org/SANTRAN.html


828 posted on 08/29/2013 2:02:30 PM PDT by bkaycee (John 3:16)
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To: paladinan
1) Sola Scriptura is nowhere to be found in Scripture. Nowhere. Go check.

The word CATHOLIC is nowhere to be found in Scripture. Nowhere. Go check.

Therefore they don't exist.

843 posted on 08/29/2013 2:58:12 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: paladinan

“Sola Scriptura is nowhere to be found in Scripture”

It appears that you do not understand the meaning of Sola Scriptura. You continue to present a distorted caractature that is simply a straw man.

Disbelieve what you pleases, but at least understand what you choose to disbelieve.


857 posted on 08/29/2013 5:21:00 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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