Posted on 08/28/2013 12:22:54 PM PDT by Sopater
According to Joel Osteen – Pastor of Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas, these first century apostles are wrong and outdated and he has come out boldly to infer indirectly that Apostles Paul, Peter, and John whom wrote much of the New Testament were wrong and need to be corrected and rebuked.
When asked directly if people whom are openly practicing homosexuals are accepted into the Kingdom, Joel Osteen responded with “Absolutely, anybody is.”
We all need to listen carefully to the words that this “man of God” speaks as he goes on interviews so we too can find the errors in the preaching of the first century apostles.
Joel does acknowledge that some things are “sin” but says, “I don’t address these things from the pulpit. They only come up in interviews.” When asked if openly practicing gay/homosexual people will be accepted into heaven, Joel Osteen responded, “I believe they will.”
He makes no mention of the need for repentance.
The doctrine of universalism is the belief that all people are “saved” no matter who you are or what you’ve done.
This is a new version of the “good news” that is MUCH BETTER than the message the Jesus and the Apostles preached 2,ooo years ago which was far too narrow according to the way Joel Osteen explains his “message.”
“I’m for everybody” says Joel Osteen, “I’m not into excluding people. Jesus can reveal himself to anybody.”
The idea is that since no one would be accepted if we are called to be “holy” then all have to be accepted. So goes this logic. This doctrine also believes that all roads lead to heaven so there is no one “way, truth, and life that leads to the father.”
According to Joel, “sin means to miss the mark” which, while technically correct, stands in contrast to the teachings of many writers of the Bible that teach that sin is violation of God’s Holy Laws so if by missing the mark Joel means violating God’s ways, then yes, sin is missing the mark.
According to the out of date writers of the Bible, the “wages of sin is death” for which blood is required and for which a sacrifice was presented.
It sounds a lot more harsh to say SIN is TREASON punishable by death than to say it is “missing the mark” which is a bit incomplete. Sin is also “to incur guilt, incur penalty” which according to the scripture is death.
Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
When asked about people who live in open sin, Joel smilingly said, “I’m not going to bash those people. I’m not going to be against those people. They’re good people.”
So by contrast, Apostle Jude is “bashing people” when he said:
Jude 1:14-16 “And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage.”
Joel’s wife recently said to Piers Morgan. “It’s the people that we’re after. We’re not trying to judge their sin. We want to encourage them and love them. You’re only going to win people by reaching out to them.”
Isn’t that so awesome! They are all about the people! They want you and I be accepted without having to discuss anything like repentance or righteousness. These are “judgmental” subjects that we just don’t need.
These modern day ministry giants have gone on national television to essentially correct Apostles Peter, John, and Paul to say … they are wrong … if you listen to Joel Osteen. So many across the nation are so proud of this Pastor and his courage in confronting the church fathers!
According to Joel Osteen, Apostle Paul erroneously stated to the Corinthians …
1 Corinthians 6:8-10 “Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
In saying this, according to Joel Osteen, Apostle Paul is being “exclusionary” and should be rebuked and corrected. He is obviously wrong and should never have said these things to the Corinthian church.
Corinth was known for its sexual openness and promiscuity so for Paul to “condemn” all these “good people” was completely out of order and he needs to be rebuked.
When Paul wrote to the Romans he also was in complete error in stating the following in the first chapter of his letter, according to Joel Osteen.
“And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”
According to Joel Osteen, Paul was absolutely incorrect and to state that being a homosexual is a sin is being “judgmental” and should not be tolerated. It is just wrong according to Joel Osteen. Many people agree with Joel Osteen today and so, Apostle Paul is apparently misguided and incorrect in his letter.
Joel goes on to point out the additional errors in the words Apostle Paul wrote.
“Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.” Paul went on to write in the first chapter of Romans, which according to the words of Joel Osteen, he is deeply misguided and mistaken.
Apostle Paul should repent for saying such things according to Joel Osteen. A growing number of people in America agree with Joel that Apostle Paul should be rebuked for ever saying such things because Paul isn’t accepting of people like Joel Osteen is.
Equally misguided and incorrect according to Joel Osteen is Paul’s words to the Galatian church. In his writings, Apostle Paul made stunning comments that were clearly exclusionary statements concerning the Kingdom and those whom are accepted, and in so doing has made grave error according to Joel Osteen.
See if you can detect the absolutely false statements that Apostle Paul made to the Galatian church according to the stated doctrine of Joel Osteen.
Galatians 5:19-21 “Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.“
You can clearly see what has Joel Osteen so unhappy that he’s gone on national television to correct this! It is this type of rhetoric, according to Joel Osteen, that is completely false and misrepresents the God he serves.
Joel Osteen’s God loves everybody and there are no exclusions because then, according to Joel, “none of us would be saved.” So again, Apostle Paul was completely incorrect and should never have written such harsh and insensitive words to the Galatian church according to Joel.
I imagine Joel Osteen would say “shame on Apostle Paul for ever writing such hateful words!”
Now, not only is Joel out to correct the misguided Apostle Paul, but Apostle Peter was also brought into serious question for clearly being exclusionary when he wrote these words.
1 Peter 1:14-16 “As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.”
According to the doctrine Joel Osteen has now shared with us all as “his message,” being clearly more evolved and enlightened than the archaic Apostle Peter, no one can be holy. We are left to conclude that Peter is misguided and is being judgmental. What a terrible yoke and condemnation Apostle Peter is trying to put on the good people he is writing to.
Additionally, Apostle Peter goes on to say things that are completely against the Lakewood Church Pastor’s God when he stated the following.
2 Peter 2:6-8 “And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)”
According to Joel Osteen’s public comments, one could conclude that Apostle Peter was in complete error and deceived when he wrote such things. What a terrible condemnation. He clearly did not know the doctrine that Joel Osteen preaches or he would never have said such awful and critical things.
Joel Osteen indirectly implies (subtly) that these apostles were false and were critical and judgmental and should NOT be listened to in America today. We all need to listen instead to Joel Osteen and Oprah Winfrey.
Now Apostle John made even greater errors if the benchmark is Joel Osteen’s “message” when he stated some of the thing that he wrote which, according to Joel Osteen, is just plain and simply not true.
It takes a lot of courage for Joel to stand against these writings but he believes strongly in his “uplifting and encouraging” doctrine that does not endorse such harsh and judgmental statements as written by these ancient Apostles.
We should all pray for Joel Osteen because he needs our prayers if he’s going to continue to champion the cause of those oppressed and condemned by the writings and statements of Apostles like Paul, Peter and John.
Revelation 21:8 “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
You see, according to Joel Osteen in a recent interview, “God doesn’t see any sin as worse than another” and all are going to heaven. Apparently in Joel Osteen’s bible, he has redacted the unpardonable sin. So if you’re a follower of Joel Osteen’s then this statement by Apostle John must seem just plain wrong.
Apostle John doesn’t know what he’s talking about and we need to listen to the wisdom of Joel Osteen. Apostle John clearly was in error and should be rebuked for suggesting that people who tell lies are going to have their part in the lake of fire.
What was Apostle John thinking writing such judgmental things???
That’s a terrible thing to say and no one, certainly not Apostle John, should be allowed to say such things. As Joel says, “there’s enough condemnation in the world” and we don’t need anymore.
Additionally, in his letter, Apostle John says things like …
1 John 3:8-10 “He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.”
Now according to Joel Osteen and the thousands that agree with his “message,” this entire passage should be removed from the pages of the bible and no one should be saying such things. In fact, Joel goes on to share that it is this exact kind of preaching that will hinder “church growth.”
Apostles Paul, Peter, and John listen up. Joel Osteen rebukes you all.
Now listen, Joel Osteen and his ministry in Houston are all about people. He is standing up for your rights! He is taking a REALLY BIG RISK because … if he’s wrong, and Apostle Paul is right … then he stands to be cursed! So he needs your support in prayer NOW!
Galatians 1:9 “As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
Instead, you all need to listen to his message of universal acceptance and lawless living without any condemnation so we can all “lift our spirits” and be “encouraging and loving” to all people no matter what lifestyle or choices they make. After all, according to Joel, God loves us all and everyone is going to heaven so lighten up!
There is no exclusive path to the Kingdom. According to Joel Osteen, we need to hear this message because it’s the right message and anyone that says that there is an exclusive path to God is wrong.
Joel would know, look at the size of his church! He is clearly telling you the truth more than anyone in history.
John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
Exactly how much error is too much?
The quotes are taken right from what Joel himself has spoken. He positions himself on his own without being told how to answer. On the one hand he wants to appease his Christian followers by saying “the bible says” but on the other he clearly fellowships with darkness and facilitates those whom deny the power thereof.
2 Timothy 3:1-7 “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.”
Joel? Is that you?
Man does not have the authority to change the will of God on any subject. We have been given severe warnings in several places in the Bible concerning any changes that we try to make to God’s word. As we have already seen in Galatians 1:6-9, if we pervert the gospel by changing it, we will be accursed.
Another such warning comes in the closing verses of the Bible. Revelation 22:18-19 says, “For I testify unto everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, and from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” These are very stern warnings that should get our undivided attention.
How much stronger warnings could God give to those who try to make changes to His will when they change immersion into sprinkling, or to change the necessity of baptism for one to receive forgiveness of sins and be saved to their saying that baptism is not necessary for salvation. God has said plainly that it is necessary.
1 John 3:4 tells exactly what sin is. “Everyone who keeps sinning is violating Torah — indeed, sin is violation of Torah.” CJB
But most people will say that we are no longer under the law, and they do not understand the scriptures. Remember, Yeshua said He did not come do abolish the Torah, but to show us how to live it.
A very sad time when most people will not listen to Truth. But that is the way most people are... the road is very narrow...
Anybody with 2 brain cells to rub together only has to look at this guy to see that he is a fake. I can’t change the channel fast enough when his smirking face appears on my TV. I don’t understand how people can get taken in by these types of people. He is disgusting.
He denied Jesus is the only way. Isn’t that universalism?
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I don’t know if it is universalism but I do know that that is one of the reasons I left the Episcopal church. When the new female bishop (a person totally unqualified to be the bishop of the ECUSA) said the same thing I was done. Never mind all the other strange doings coming out of the Episcopal church. After 45 years, I was done.
Joel is doing something right.
So you believe that God is limited?
I totally disagree. This article twists Joel’s comments and says that he believes Universalism. He does neither believe that not does he teach that. If you ever tuned into his church service via the internet you will see much more than the 30 minute segment on TV. This man believes just as you and I believe. He preaches the gospel of salvation... Even gives an altar call. He believes we are saved by the blood of the lamb and that Jesus’ blood washed away our sin. The problem people have is that he us full if love and acceptance for all people. He does not preach fire and brimstone... For me that’s some pretty “Good News”. Be careful what negative things you share about anyone. We are the body... The bride and we need to come together in a oneness and love for one another. I’m sorry this article is spewing such untruth and hatred toward another brother in Christ. It truly breaks my heart.I cannot tell you how my heart is grieving for the Body of Christ... His beloved BRIDE. I have seen so much division and judgement, even condemnation of other believers and Christian leaders that I am truly “sick” about it. You see, I believe Jesus is coming for us soon. He is coming for His Bride but from what I see, His Bride is not ready. The Body of Christ is so full of judgement toward each other. If this one doesn’t believe the way we believe or preach what we preach then He must be Apostate. We hurt one another and then throw stones. But I so believe it is BY HIS LOVE THEY WILL KNOW US! The world is watching us. The unbelievers are watching us attack and destroy each other. We have become so judgemental against everything that our love doesn’t show. It’s Jesus in us that gives grace to others who have fallen down. We help them up and love them. Once they get saved we say, “Ok... now shape up or ship out.” But we are all humanbeings trying to walk in the Holy Spirit. Some days we walk in sweet alignment with him... some days not so much. But we are not saved by our works... how good we are... but by the Power of God through the blood of Christ and the Holy Spirit who wants to permeate us with His love! We need to start giving more grace to one another... forgiving one another as HE forgave us. Only then ... when we align ourselves with HIM will the Bride be prepared for our Bridegroom!
Please refer to gay people as Homesexuals, not Homo’s. I think that being respectful is one way we orthodox (conservative) Christians can express our beliefs and still be people-oriented, so WE may show Christ’s love, and openly practicing sinners might repent and turn to Christ & the Word more deeply and truly.
They hate being called homosexuals, too, so it’s all good.
You do realize that post was made months ago, right?
Corinthians 4:6
“Not to think beyond what is written. (Exceede or go past)
Proverbs 30:6
“Add thou not unto His Word, lest He reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.”
YES mbarker12474, SINNERS DO GO TO HEAVEN, BUT THE BIBLE STATES YOU MUST ACCEPT CRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR, WE ALL SIN NONE IS PERFECT BUT THROUGH GRACE WE ARE SAVED. OSTEEN IS A WHORE ONLY PANDERING TO THE MIGHTY DOLLAR.
Joel Osteen is the one who’s really judgemental and has a very low IQ. He’s turning good Christians into bad. How come that sins are welcome in Heaven. Yes we’re all sinners that’s why Jesus Christ died for us, but that’s not mean we’re all save. We must still accept Jesus and prove ourselves that we deserve to be welcomed in heaven by trying to be a real christian. NO SINS. Sin is a worldly thing not a heavenly thing. So try to be god-like as much as possible. DOn’t listen to Joel Osteen. I rebuke you in Jesus Name.
I am posting this because it really ticks me off. Joel has said publicly things that are contradictory to scripture. One being that Jesus is not the only way. Is that not enough? I believe he teaches a false gospel, but this article goes to far. He stretches something that is said and puts words in the mouth of Osteen. My opinion is that this is also false propaganda that would go agaist god’s law’s. Falsely accusing someone in the old testament was punishable by stoning. The author wants to quote bible verses such as:
1 Corinthians 6:8-10 “Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
This is truth!! BUT God’s grace covers these. Paul the Apostle fequenty wrote about the struggle man has (After salvation) between the flesh and the Spirit. We all struggle daily. Maybe this author has conquered his own sin by his own will? I know this to not be true! the only thing that makes us righteous is God’s grace. It is the blood of Christ that washes us clean! Maybe this author has no sin in his life that he continue to struggle with on a daily basis. Where he fights the guilt and shame and hides it from the rest of the world. If this is the case then to God be the Glory, but not everyone is so fortunate.
Sin is sin and God loves us. He wants to be reconciled with us. This involves repentance, but to think that being a saint means to be free from sin in false it is free from the guilt of sin and if you disagree with that you need to brush up on your doctrine. You can’t have it both ways!
That being said, Joel Osteen is a false teacher.
While it is true we all sin in word thought and deed each day this is why the model prayer tells to confess daily.One who lives in open rebellion against God is not going to enter the kingdom of God as per 1 Corinthian ch 6.Only those that have repented of their sin and as scripture tells us If any man would come after me let him deny himself take up his cross and follow me, only those that have done so will enter the kingdom of heaven.
While it is true we all sin in word thought and deed each day this is why the model prayer tells to confess daily.One who lives in open rebellion against God is not going to enter the kingdom of God as per 1 Corinthian ch 6.Only those that have repented of their sin and as scripture tells us If any man would come after me let him deny himself take up his cross and follow me, only those that have done so will enter the kingdom of heaven.
Good morning all, I dnt know why focus so much on what Joel, Joyce, Jakes or any preacher says about the Kingdom of God, when we have the Word of God to read, Jesus Christ to preach and teach and the Holy Spirit to lead us. Jesus said to Peter when he asked what about the other person refering to Judas Iskariot: “Fight You hard to enter the Kingdom...”. We are living in the last andevil days, therefore we must start to fix our eyes upon Jesus Chrst, the Author and Finisher of our faith. Amen
People are finally beginning to rebuke Joel and his wife. It has taken a while. For me it is very hard to say that a Pastor is not preaching the word of our Lord. My group of friends have been taking about Joel for quite sometime but only among ourselves. Joel has a lot of overhead expenses so I don’t see him going away anytime soon. His followers will awake one by one and Joel will be left with an empty building and a lot of nice suites.
We have all sinned at one time or another, but God does forgive sinners. We certainly need to ask God to forgive our sins.
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