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Contra Leithart: No, The Reformation Isn’t Over. Before You Reject At Least Understand It
Heidelblog ^ | 8 November 2013 | R. Scott Clark

Posted on 11/09/2013 5:52:12 AM PST by Gamecock

In a post on the First Things blog today, Peter Leithart declares the “End of Protestantism.” It’s not at all clear, however, that he understands what he wants to end. He begins with a sociological observation about contemporary English non-conformists and uses that to leverage the definition of “Protestant,” which he proceeds to use as a foil to justify his refashioning of Protestantism.

For those who aren’t aware, until recently, he was Wilson’s right-hand man at HQ in Moscow. His mission, in which he seems to have succeeded (at least according to Lane Keister), was to take the sting out of the 2007 PCA GA ruling against the Federal Vision movement. Almost immediately after the ruling he, Wilson, and others issued a statement affirming the very errors rejected by the PCA. He was essentially daring the PCA to charge him. They did and, in what Lane Keister has called a “wagon-encircling kangaroo trial” his presbytery was unable to convict him. On appeal the Standing Judicial Commission voted 15-2 to refuse to consider the record of the trial, deciding to consider only procedural questions. As a result, Leithart remains a minister in good standing in the PCA while openly confessing doctrines at variance what was adopted by GA in 2007.

In the piece he juxtaposes “Protestant” with “Reformational Catholicism.” For anyone familiar with the rhetoric and teaching of the Reformers and their successors, this juxtaposition is just silly. The Protestants (Luther, Melanchthon, Bucer, Calvin) and more to the point, the Reformed Churches did not cede the adjective “catholic” to the Romanists.

In contrast to the Reformed Reformation, Leithart wants to make Rome a true church. The Protestants and the Reformed Churches were the original Reformational Catholics. The Belgic Confession (1561), the confession of the Dutch Reformed Churches, distinguishes between the true church and the false church and sects (articles 28–29). It consigns Rome, with the Anabaptists, to the category of a false church or a sect. Calvin, in his lengthy response to the Council of Trent (a part of which you can read here) he castigated Rome for becoming a sect. William Perkins, in 1597, stoutly defended the confessional Protestants as the true catholics over against Rome. They accused Rome of becoming a sect because she, for the first time in the history of the church, in council, anathematized the holy gospel. In so doing, she cut herself off from the broad stream of the church universal (which is all catholic means). By definition, Roman Catholic is an oxymoron. There was a pastor in Rome, who arrogated to himself, over time, authority that belongs to no single pastor and then finally he made himself a competitor to the head of the church. For this reason, the Protestants, picking up the rhetoric of William of Ockham, called him antichrist.

Another great problem with Leithart’s analysis is that it doesn’t go far enough. He rejects prayers to saints, papal claims, the veneration of the host (i.e., the transubstantiated victim, which Rome claims to re-sacrifice memorially to turn away God’s wrath), prayers to the Blessed Virgin, and the elevation of tradition above Scripture. He affirms that “salvation is a sheer gift of God received by faith” but, as we know from the 2007 FV Statement and his ecclesiastical trial, the the Federal Vision definition of faith in the act of justification is not that of the Westminster Confession (ch. 11).

He doesn’t understand why confessional Protestants are skeptical of Rome’s claim that she believes in “salvation by grace.” I guess Leithart slept through the ECT controversy. Sigh. Protestants who know their Reformation history don’t doubt that Rome confesses salvation by grace. What we reject is her definition of grace as a medicinal substance, with which we are infused, that enables us to cooperate reciprocally with grace unto sanctification progressively toward justification. Real Protestants don’t equivocate on that which Calvin called the “exclusive particle” (in his commentary on Gal 5:16) when it comes to justification. The doctrine of justification is as J. H. Alting, a Reformed theologian, wrote in the early 17th century, “the article of the standing or falling of the church.” A true Protestant knows that Rome defines faith, in the act of justification, as sanctification. We, by contrast, define it as the sole instrument, an empty hand that receives and rests in Christ and his finished work for us. For Rome, justification is an ongoing work in us. In that sense, “in” in the Roman preposition and for is the Protestant preposition. [Before the "union with Christ" folks get wound up, I said "in that sense." We believe in "in" too but that's another post].

Yes, Protestants are creedal. A true Protestant knows and confesses the original understanding of the creeds. That’s why they wrote so many commentaries on the creeds. That’s why Calvin structured his Institutes around the Apostles’ Creed and the book of Romans—it’s both/and, not either/or. A true Protestant, however, isn’t deceived by Cardinal Newman’s theory of “doctrinal development” or by Romanist sleight of hand post-Vatican II. Yes, some things have changed (and are changing still) but have the essential issues been resolved? No. Rome still denies free acceptance with God through faith (trust) alone grounded in the whole, perfect obedience of Christ imputed to us. She still denies the perspicuity of Scripture and its sole, unique authority over the church. We are not family and, according to Rome, the only way we can ever be family is to stop being Protestants. On this point Leithart’s claims are contrary to fact and incoherent.

Liturgical forms? The Reformed published Liturgical forms. Calvin had forms of prayer. Here’s the Heidelberg Liturgy. Calvin’s liturgy is well-known. It is discussed at length in Recovering the Reformed Confession and in “Calvin’s Principle of Worship.” Yes, the Westminster Directory for Public Worship (1644) offered rubrics rather than liturgy but there is strong unity in the Reformed dialogical principle and practice of worship: God speaks in his Word and sacraments and his people respond with his Word in prayer. Our worship is catholic! Transpose Calvin’s service over the 2nd century and it makes complete sense to Justin or Irenaeus or Polycarp. Transpose a Romanist service over the 2nd century and the fathers would repudiate it as collection of pagan rituals.

The Reformation isn’t over, not at least for the confessional Protestant churches, who don’t equivocate, who understand what Rome is really saying, who still submit to the Word of God as the sole, unique authority for faith and life, who affirm the sole sufficiency of Christ and righteousness for us for acceptance with God, for salvation from wrath, and for sanctification, who are resting in Christ and in his finished work for us, and who find their assurance in Christ for us and his promises to us. It’s unfortunate but telling that Leithart thinks these things are negotiable.


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To: G Larry
So either your understanding of Calvinism leaves something to be desired or your exegetical skills need honing.

Let's just look at Matthew 7:21, shall we?

Not sure how that particular passage refutes Calvinism, but that particular passage shots down the entire notion of works righteousness. Those souls who are commanded to depart were all counting on their works to enter the Kingdom. Each one of them claimed works as their ticket punch. Not one of them claim faith in Jesus.

Now how exactly does that refute Calvinism?

21 posted on 11/09/2013 4:59:30 PM PST by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: Gamecock

Here’s some “honing”....

James 2:24
James 2:26
Gal 5:6
1 Cor 13:2
John 14:15
Matt 19:16-17

Romans 8:24
Eph 2:5,8
2 Tim 1:9
Tit 3:5

Phil 2:12
1 Peter 1:9

Matt 10:22
Matt 24:13
Mark 8:35
Acts 15:11
Romans 5:9-10
Romans 13:11
1 Cor 3:15
1 Cor 5:5
Heb 9:28


22 posted on 11/09/2013 6:35:36 PM PST by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: G Larry

Care to comment on my post? I am on a tablet and really would like to stay focused on one verse at a time.


23 posted on 11/09/2013 6:43:59 PM PST by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: Gamecock

First, let’s define our terms.

What do YOU mean by “works righteousness”?


24 posted on 11/09/2013 6:56:34 PM PST by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: Gamecock; G Larry

Gamecock,

So, if G Larry doesn’t believe in “works righteousness” he’s a Calvinist, but if he doesn’t believe in “works righteousness” he is a Calvinist? Did it ever occur to you that there are other Christians (including Protestants) who don’t believe in either Calvinism or works righteousness?


25 posted on 11/09/2013 7:03:36 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: G Larry; Gamecock
The Council of Trent resolved Martin Luther’s objections 45 years after he posted his complaint. His followers and factions continued with new complaints and new divisions.

What makes you think the Reformation was only about Martin Luther and his 95 Theses?

26 posted on 11/09/2013 7:04:47 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

History


27 posted on 11/09/2013 7:19:20 PM PST by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: vladimir998; G Larry

Ummm, what? He used that passges to refute Calvinism. I would say that any person who has a working knowledge of Calvinism, be they Arminian, Roman Catholic or even a Mormon, would admit that the passage in qurstion has NOTHING to do wit proving or refuting Calvinism.


28 posted on 11/09/2013 7:24:25 PM PST by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: G Larry
History

Whose "history"? Even a crib note study of the Reformation would reveal that it wasn't all about Martin Luther and his 95 point theses he published for theological discussion on the door of the Castle church. It began a few hundred years before he was born and continued long after he died.

It is humorous how frequently, however, Catholics play their "Luther" card in a vain attempt to squelch any discussion where Catholicism might be criticized. It's appearance nearly never fails lately!

29 posted on 11/09/2013 7:33:51 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

Oh, Good!

Perhaps you could list your 1000 years of issues.


30 posted on 11/09/2013 7:37:28 PM PST by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: narses
Luke 18:

9 Also, to some who were relying on their own righteousness and looking down on everyone else, he told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the Temple to pray, one a Parush and the other a tax-collector. 11 The Parush stood and prayed to himself, ‘O God! I thank you that I am not like the rest of humanity — greedy, dishonest, immoral, or like this tax-collector! 12 I fast twice a week, I pay tithes on my entire income, . . . ’ 13 But the tax-collector, standing far off, would not even raise his eyes toward heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God! Have mercy on me, sinner that I am!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his home right with God rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but everyone who humbles himself will be exalted.”

31 posted on 11/09/2013 8:05:06 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: G Larry; Gamecock

LOL, Acts 15:11 shoots down your own argument Larry.

I saw the same list on “Catholic Answers.”

Perhaps you can paste their discussion page or save the room and just link it. I went through that entire list when I visited “Catholic Answers.” Either the preceding or following verses or both adds the context which destroys the RC position.

You are better off saying 2,000 years can’t be wrong.


32 posted on 11/09/2013 8:15:31 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: G Larry
Oh, Good! Perhaps you could list your 1000 years of issues.

It's not about me. I had nothing to do with the Reformation. However, I'd like to think that, had I been around during those times, I would have had the same moral courage and faith in God as Wycliffe, Huss, Luther, Zwingli, Calvin and others did. To be used by God to accomplish His work is an honor.

33 posted on 11/09/2013 8:35:34 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Campion; Gamecock
the transubstantiated victim, which Rome claims to re-sacrifice memorially to turn away God’s wrath

Just wouldn't be "reformed" polemic without the "Papists re-sacrifice Jesus" lie, would it?

Should we just ignore your own dogmas?

    Session XXII: Doctrine on the Sacrifice of the Mass

    Chapter I: On the Institution of the Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass

    Foreasmuch as, under the former Testament, according to the testimony of the Apostle Paul, there was no perfection, because of the weakness of the Levitical priesthood; there was need, God, the Father of mercies, so ordaining, that another priest should rise, according to the order of Melchisedech, our Lord Jesus Christ, who might consummate, and lead to what is perfect, as many as were to be sanctified. He, therefore, our God and Lord, though he was about to offer himself once on the altar of the cross unto God the Father, by means of his death, there to operate an eternal redemption; nevertheless, because that his priesthood was not to be extinguished by his death, in the Last Supper, on the night in which he was betrayed,—that he might leave, to his own beloved Spouse the Church, a visible sacrifice, such as the nature of man requires, whereby that bloody sacrifice, once to be accomplished on the cross, might be represented, and the memory thereof remain even unto the end of the world, and its salutary virtue be applied to the remission of those sins which we daily commit,—declaring himself constituted a priest forever, according to the order of Melchisedech, he offered up to God the Father his own body and blood under the species of bread and wine; and, under the symbols of those same things, he delivered [his own body and blood] to be received by his apostles, whom he then constituted priests of the New Testament; and by those words, Do this in commemoration of me, he commanded them and their successors in the priesthood to offer (them); even as the Catholic Church has always understood and taught.

    Chapter II: That the Sacrifice of the Mass is Propitiatory, Both for the Living and the Dead.

    For inasmuch as in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the mass is contained and immolated in an unbloody manner the same Christ who once offered himself in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross; the holy council teaches that this is truly propitiatory, and that if we, contrite and penitent, with sincere heart and upright faith, with fear and reverence, draw nigh to God, we obtain mercy and find grace in seasonable aid. For, appeased by this sacrifice, the Lord grants the grace and gift of penitence, and pardons even the gravest crimes and sins. For the victim is one and the same, the same now offering by the ministry of priests who then offered Himself on the cross, the manner alone of offering being different. The fruits of that bloody sacrifice, it is well understood, are received most abundantly through this unbloody one, so far is the latter from derogating in any way from the former. Wherefore, according to the tradition of the Apostles, it is rightly offered not only for the sins, punishments, satisfactions, and other necessities of the faithful who are living, but also for those who are departed in Christ but not as yet fully purified.

    Canon I. If any one saith, that in the mass a true and proper sacrifice is not offered to God; or, that to be offered is nothing else but that Christ is given us to eat: let him be anathema.

    Canon II. If any one saith, that by those words, Do this for the commemoration of me (Luke xxii. 19), Christ did not institute the apostles priests; or, did not ordain that they and other priests should offer his own body and blood: let him be anathema.

    Canon III. If any one saith, that the sacrifice of the mass is only a sacrifice of praise and of thanksgiving; or, that it is a bare commemoration of the sacrifice consummated on the cross, but not a propitiatory sacrifice; or, that it profits him only who receives; and that it ought not to be offered for the living and the dead for sins, pains, satisfactions, and other necessities: let him be anathema.

    Canon V. If any one saith, that it is an imposture to celebrate masses in honor of the saints, and for obtaining their intercession with God, as the Church intends: let him be anathema.

    Canon VI. If any one saith, that the canon of the mass contains errors, and is therefore to be abrogated: let him be anathema.

    (The Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent, in Philip Schaff, The Creeds of Christendom (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1919 ed.), pp. 176-180, 184-185).


34 posted on 11/09/2013 10:23:11 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums; G Larry

“...Catholics play their Luther card in a vain attempt...”

The attempt is not vain and the Luther card is an ace because he was the first to promulgate (find) sola scriptura and sola fide in the bible.

See the scriptures laid out by G Larry. Protestantism is unscriptural because it cannot address those scriptures while catholicism has no problem with the faith is required scriptures - because faith is required.


35 posted on 11/10/2013 6:20:08 AM PST by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: redleghunter

“..same link on Catholic answers...”

All scripture is worthwhile - so why not address the scriptures found on Catholic Answers (if that is the source, catholics do read the bible and have scripture every Sunday at mass, as well)?

They are scriptures, after all ... the source is the bible, the website is irrelevant when the verses are correct.


36 posted on 11/10/2013 6:25:40 AM PST by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: redleghunter; LarryG

“...Acts 15:11 shoots down your argument...”

It doesn’t shoot it down it all. Catholics know that we MUST believe to be saved. We are perfectly aware that without belief there is no salvation.

However, all scripture is useful - we believe this and understand that our free will must be exercised to remain righteous- as the verses already set forth point out


37 posted on 11/10/2013 6:30:51 AM PST by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: boatbums

“...Papists resacrifice Jesus...”

We don’t resacrifice - we re create - How else can we follow the scriptures??

John Chapter 6 verses 55 and 56

He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up on the last day.

For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

Note the last day - not in the air and such nonsense.

Papists do not re-sacrifice Jesus. We re create his passion and death - as He instructed.

IT IS IN THE BIBLE


38 posted on 11/10/2013 7:05:34 AM PST by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: redleghunter

“Faith without works is dead”


39 posted on 11/10/2013 7:23:31 AM PST by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: boatbums

Zwingli??? Really?

Predestination? You don’t have free will??


40 posted on 11/10/2013 7:26:49 AM PST by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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