Posted on 12/03/2013 12:41:03 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Appearing on NBC’s Meet the Press with David Gregory, Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York said that the Catholic Church ideally would have backed Obamacare but for President Obama’s attempt to cram down violations of the First Amendment on Obamacare’s back. “We bishops have been really kind of in a tough place because we’re for universal, comprehensive, life-affirming healthcare,” Dolan said, emphasizing that church support for universal government healthcare dated back to 1919 in the United States. “So we’re not Johnny-come-latelies. We’ve been asking for reform in healthcare for a long time.”
Dolan added, however, that the Obamacare mandate which stifled the religious expression of Catholic businessowners had sunk Catholic support for Obamacare. “Where we started bristling and saying, ‘Uh-oh, first of all this isn’t comprehensive, because it’s excluding immigrant and it’s excluding the unborn baby,’ so we began to bristle at that.”(continued)
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…and, welcome to one of the biggest reasons I recently dumped the Catholic Church, Dolan, you fleabag!
Hard to know what point he is making.
Does he think this will make the Obammunists stop cramming down the violations of the 1st Amendment?
And, why would the Catholic church want to abrogate it’s own historical role to the government under any circumstances?
it’s excluding immigrant and it’s excluding the unborn baby,’
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No Im sure the illegal aliens are first in line...
and abortion is not excluded...
Forget all the other issues. Forget forced re-distribution of wealth. He is all for that. Forget the lies used to pass this. Forget the rationing and death panels. Forget the cancelled plans. Forget all of that. Those don’t apply to him.
If “the bishops” support Obamacare, then Dolan is unintentionally condemning Rome for its wretched choices for bishops for this country. Obamacare is evil—quite apart from the HHS Abortion Mandate.
Dolan is a loathsome, shallow, worldly, big-mouthed, cowardly blowhard.
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Such a statement to make the Church appear reasonable is littering this nation with a wasteland of lies.
Well - this is nice to know. I thought the US was infiltrated to the point of no return - now The Church!
AS I read everyone’s comments, I concur 100% - and the one about leaving The Church...well...my Children will get their first communion done, for The Church is that of Jesus Christ and that historical connection is something personal to make...but if The Church continues down this dangerous road with allying with darkness — then I must step away and hold my faith privately and away from such until Christ cleans his house...how sad it has all come to this.
It has already reached the point of no return in the Presbyterian and Methodist Churches.
The Catholic/Orthodox complex of churches has seen embracing government in its mission vision since the 4th century. Some Protestants went along with that too, but others begged to differ. I think it’s excellent that Obama has served up something that the Catholic church can’t swallow! I hope that gets them to rethink what looks this sad historical presumption to baptize Caesar into Christ, and to concentrate on grass roots faith again. Grass roots faith is always where the various parts of the church have proven the most powerful — when the regime absolutely hated it. It has happened in Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant branches alike.
“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government.”
T. Jefferson,,
Born and raised Catholic, dumped it many years ago.
The Catholic church was too, too much about the Catholic church and far to little about the Lord, plus a lot of other reasons and cover ups we continually hear reports of.
I really shake my head and wonder about it now.
All I can say is may the Lord save it for those who are still Catholics and I mean that sincerely.
If you are hoping “a bunch of people” (whatever the sign over the door) is going to keep your faith going, you’ve put your faith in the wrong place.
And this is a pan-Christian issue. Protestants have it as well as Catholics and Orthodox.
Letting worship organizations go visibly looey like this is one way God emphasizes that they shouldn’t be “idolized.” Denomination issues existed from the early days... “I am of [whomever].” People put the ultimate fondness they should have had for the Lord, onto their clergy. It is an understandable error, but not to constantly try to correct it is wrong too.
A church that got full of itself is why Martin Luther eventually walked away, and why earlier on the Orthodox family of churches bid farewell to Rome. If it were not for the promise of God sustaining these pride-ridden worship bodies (and the problem persists to this day) they would have winked out. But it was not worldliness that kept them going. We will look in vain for a worship body that doesn’t have some badness. What we are well to look for is a local worship body where in spite of the badness, Christ visibly manifests in the life of the congregation, and it may be found to meet in some nondescript, homely place rather than some grand cathedral.
I'm beginning to think that Cardinal Dolan and Vice President Biden have a "gaffe competition" going on between them. Or maybe not, as you'll see at the end.
The headline is truly what Cardinal Dolan said of the Obamacare disaster that is unfolding before our very eyes. It's just that teensy thing about the murder of babies that gives them a cause for pause. Sane people have been sounding that clarion call all along, but the progressives in the US hierarchy refuse to accept it. Here's a key principle: when we ascribe to any governmental entity the powers and authority that Obamacare (and socialism) does, those sitting in positions of authority will become giddy and arrogant with their power. They will see themselves as de facto deities and believe they have the prerogatives of the same. In fact, we saw that in the 1970s. It's no accident that Roe versus Wade was handed down after the Welfare State became firmly ensconced as a way of life. Give a governmental entity enormous power and it will assume an enormous appetite for more. Our Founding Fathers were deathly afraid of this scenario happening and sought to put checks and balances within the US Constitution. The progressives in the USCCB worked feverishly with their cohorts outside the Church, using foolish prelates like Cardinal Dolan as their foils for their plots. They succeeded.
Only now does Dolan seem to think something amiss, but still he persists in his denial of the horrible evil that is Obamacare. At least I can only hope it's denial. The cynical - and realistic - side of me believes that Cardinal Dolan knew all along that we'd all be forced to pay for the murders of babies, and is putting on this "bristling" schtick to mollify those of us who have been protesting all along. I believe he's fully culpable for the furtherance of Obamacare via his allowance of the Obama photo-op at the Al Smith Dinner. His connivance in this mess is no less than that of Sister Carol Keehan as she wields her Pen of Perfidy.
You said,
…and, welcome to one of the biggest reasons I recently dumped the Catholic Church, Dolan, you fleabag!
If my faith was dependent upon the fidelity of the US bishops to traditional Catholic teaching, I would have become an atheist many, many years ago.
If the Cardinal thinks about that sentence, he must obviously conclude once and for all why government enforced socialism or communism never works.
JoMa
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