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To: vladimir998

So are you denying that it was a practice of the Catholic Church at the time to sell indulgences? Approved or not, since it went on it was not banned by the Pope at the time it was going on. Priests are men, not God and therefore are inherently fallible regardless of whether they claim they are infallible. The doctrine exists in the Catholic Church, not in the Bible. Third, the Eastern Orthodox churches denied the primacy of the Bishop of Rome over the rest of the churches leading to the Pope and the Patriarch excommunicating each other.

Catholics are free to be Catholic and Protestants and Orthodox are free to be what they are without other Christians criticizing. Concentrate on the threats of Islam and Communism rather than trying to question the legitimacy of other Christians.


26 posted on 01/27/2014 8:46:17 PM PST by JMS
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To: JMS

“So are you denying that it was a practice of the Catholic Church at the time to sell indulgences?”

Absolutely.

“Approved or not, since it went on it was not banned by the Pope at the time it was going on.”

It was banned. It was, in fact, a violation of canon law to sell indulgences.

“Priests are men, not God and therefore are inherently fallible regardless of whether they claim they are infallible.”

Your statement is illogical. First, say the following words, “George Washington was the first president of the United States.” You just made an infallibly true statement. Thus, to say “men...are inherently fallible” is a logical fallacy. Second, papal infallibility is about the Holy Spirit more than the pope since it is the Holy Spirit who ensures the infallibility. The Holy Spirit is always infallible and has no difficulty sharing His infallibility with the pope when He wishes (and no pope has ever claimed it except in the most narrow of circumstances anyway).

“The doctrine exists in the Catholic Church, not in the Bible.”

False. Infallibility is clearly the underlying standing of all of scripture. It is were not, then no one would ever think that scripture is true. Protestants have always believed in the infallibility of scripture: http://www.spurgeongems.org/vols34-36/chs2013.pdf

“Third, the Eastern Orthodox churches denied the primacy of the Bishop of Rome over the rest of the churches leading to the Pope and the Patriarch excommunicating each other.”

False. 1) To impute the actions of one patriarch to all the patriarchs is wrongheaded. 2) The Patriarchs had previously - many times - sought out the pope to solve their disputes - thereby showing they believed in the primacy of the papacy. Read Soloviev’s book for numerous examples of such: http://www.amazon.com/Russian-Church-Papacy-Vladimir-Soloviev/dp/1888992298

“Catholics are free to be Catholic and Protestants and Orthodox are free to be what they are without other Christians criticizing.”

Actually no. We’re all free, but not free from “other Christians criticizing.”

“Concentrate on the threats of Islam and Communism rather than trying to question the legitimacy of other Christians.”

No. Although I would rather have to deal with an eastern world filled with Protestants rather than Muslims, I see no reason not to simply oppose all those who are wrong.


40 posted on 01/27/2014 9:29:15 PM PST by vladimir998
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