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To: vladimir998; Alex Murphy

‘You should either find a Church that teaches the truth, or be more truthful with your church. Otherwise, you’re just wallowing in double–mindedness of a sort.’

Good advice. That’s why I’m not Roman Catholic

But I assume this means you are a firm supporter of every policy and position of the current pope?

As to the original post- it’s somewhat ridiculous to assume that there must be an ‘aha’ moment where Catholicism went from being ‘right’ to ‘wrong’

As early as the first century, there was error in the church. People were introducing their own ‘flavors’ of Christianity

Things tend to gradually slide. There may be defining moments, mile markers that stand out during the slide, but things tend to slide

Error sometimes enters an institution like flipping a light switch, but more often it seeps in slowly

The old question of a man standing at the top of an ornate staircase at a formal party- he slips and falls- people start laughing- at the bottom of the stairs he is found to be dead——at which stair did the fall cease to be funny

It’s a pointless question.

It doesn’t matter which proverbial straw broke the camel’s back- just that we must at some point recognize that the back is broken

Luther need not be 100% right to raise points where the Catholic church was 100% wrong

Protestants need not know when where and why error slipped into Catholicism to recognize error- we need simply to recognize and purge the error

Unfortunately, we all; Protestants and Catholics tend to then believe the institutions which we belong to are and remain error free- at least doctrinally

It is a vanity and a dangerous one- one that results in convoluted circular logic and dug in heels

If there is one practice of Catholicism that will ever exclude me from its ranks, it is the presumption of being right all the time about all things doctrinal.

I find the same tendency abhorrent in many Protestants- particularly Calvinists

If I were to take Vlad’s advice of finding a church where I agreed with everything, I would be a church of one

So, I find a church that is moving in the same general direction as I believe we should be moving

I join in

I contend in the arguments I feel are important- to either hold course or change direction

And if the direction of the local body violates my conscience on an issue I find core; I change local bodies

It’s not a perfect system- but it beats the other options available to me at this point


71 posted on 01/28/2014 1:21:44 AM PST by will of the people
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To: will of the people

“But I assume this means you are a firm supporter of every policy and position of the current pope?”

So you’re claiming those Baptists who don’t drink and avoid dancing are doing so as a POLICY and not as adherence to moral DOCTRINES? That’s not what they’ve told me. I don’t have to believe in ANY policy of any pope. I only have to believe the teachings of the Catholic Church. I can oppose the plans and policies of any pope. I cannot oppose the infallible teachings of the Church. I know the difference. You apparently don’t.


198 posted on 01/29/2014 4:48:46 AM PST by vladimir998
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