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To: Seven_0; redleghunter
There is a great misunderstanding about the first and second resurrections. There are only two. The first and the second. The first resurrection includes all believers who are resurrected to eternal life and isn’t just one event. The second includes all unbelievers who are resurrected to judgment. A good explanation can be found here
112 posted on 03/24/2014 7:33:36 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear
>>>There is a great misunderstanding about the first and second resurrections. There are only two. The first and the second. The first resurrection includes all believers who are resurrected to eternal life and isn’t just one event. The second includes all unbelievers who are resurrected to judgment. A good explanation can be found here<<<

Cynical Bear: your link has the following on Daniel 12:

>>>Daniel 12:2 summarizes the two very different fates facing mankind: “Many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” Everyone will be raised from the dead, but not everyone will share the same destiny. The New Testament reveals the further detail of separate resurrections for the just and the unjust.<<<

Let's see what Daniel 12:2 really says, in context:

"And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." (Dan 12:1-2 KJV)

Notice the "angel" (identified as the "certain man" from 10:5) says, "thy people," twice. The term "thy people" is used 130 times in the old testament, and two times in the new testament; and this is the typical usage:

"A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel." (Luke 2:32)

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression," (Dan 9:24)

The Hebrew word for "thy people" is translated as follows:

{5971} `am, am; from {6004}; a people (as a congregated unit); specifically, a tribe (as those of Israel); hence (collectively) troops or attendants; figuratively, a flock: — folk, men, nation, people.

Therefore, it would be a stretch to claim that the resurrection in Daniel 12:1-2 was for anyone but the children of Israel. It is also notable that both the just and the unjust were resurrected, some to everlasting life and some to everlasting contempt.

But the most notable point is that this was a partial resurrection: not all were resurrected. The word "many" presumes a partial resurrection. That would make sense historically since some from Judah and Israel were not resurrected or killed; but rather a fraction of the populace were captured and carried off as slaves, or were already scattered and "concealed" in the empire in one manner or another. My ancestors are an example of one of those categories that survived.

That passage in Daniel 12 is referring to the first resurrection (Rev 20:4-6) which occurred around 70 AD, exactly in the generation that Jesus predicted it would happen; and it was only for the children of Israel in order to put the final nail in the coffin of the old covenant and "bury" the former bride of the Lord. The second resurrection (aka, the final judgement in Rev 20:11-15) is the one we should look forward to.

Philip

117 posted on 03/24/2014 12:36:35 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: Seven_0; redleghunter
I have already replied to the original poster, but forgot to add your names. This was my reply

>>>There is a great misunderstanding about the first and second resurrections. There are only two. The first and the second. The first resurrection includes all believers who are resurrected to eternal life and isn’t just one event. The second includes all unbelievers who are resurrected to judgment. A good explanation can be found here<<<

Cynical Bear: your link has the following on Daniel 12:

>>>Daniel 12:2 summarizes the two very different fates facing mankind: “Many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” Everyone will be raised from the dead, but not everyone will share the same destiny. The New Testament reveals the further detail of separate resurrections for the just and the unjust.<<<

Let's see what Daniel 12:2 really says, in context:

"And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." (Dan 12:1-2 KJV)

Notice the "angel" (identified as the "certain man" from 10:5) says, "thy people," twice. The term "thy people" is used 130 times in the old testament, and two times in the new testament; and this is the typical usage:

"A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel." (Luke 2:32)

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression," (Dan 9:24)

The Hebrew word for "thy people" is translated as follows:

{5971} `am, am; from {6004}; a people (as a congregated unit); specifically, a tribe (as those of Israel); hence (collectively) troops or attendants; figuratively, a flock: — folk, men, nation, people.

Therefore, it would be a stretch to claim that the resurrection in Daniel 12:1-2 was for anyone but the children of Israel. It is also notable that both the just and the unjust were resurrected, some to everlasting life and some to everlasting contempt.

But the most notable point is that this was a partial resurrection: not all were resurrected. The word "many" presumes a partial resurrection. That would make sense historically since some from Judah and Israel were not resurrected or killed; but rather a fraction of the populace were captured and carried off as slaves, or were already scattered and "concealed" in the empire in one manner or another. My ancestors are an example of one of those categories that survived.

That passage in Daniel 12 is referring to the first resurrection (Rev 20:4-6) which occurred around 70 AD, exactly in the generation that Jesus predicted it would happen; and it was only for the children of Israel in order to put the final nail in the coffin of the old covenant and "bury" the former bride of the Lord. The second resurrection (aka, the final judgement in Rev 20:11-15) is the one we should look forward to.

Philip

118 posted on 03/24/2014 12:39:16 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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