Will ordination doctrine drive a “mass exodus of the faithful” from the Catholic Church?

Hotair ^ | 03/24/2014 | Ed Morrissey

[piusv]

Um, Christ is God. Hence, He made His Will quite known in His choices.

[NorthMountain]

I hope you don’t mind comments from the peanut gallery ...

but if the Roman Catholic Church experienced a mass exodus of the UNfaithful ... it would be better off.

[grania]

People seem more drawn to a Church that is firm and passionate about upholding its doctrines. The problem the Catholic Church has isn't from being too strict. Modernizing has weakened the message and thus the commitment many people feel to the Church. The priest-young boy sex scandal isn't going away as a problem in people's minds any time soon.

Around here, those Orthodox Churches have full parking lots every Sunday. I don't think they've watered down their message or adherence to doctrine.

JMHO

[nickcarraway]

How does this guy explain the fact that women can bear children and men can’t? If men and women have to be exactly the same and be able to occupy ever role the other does, doesn’t the fact that men can’t be mothers make men extremely inferior, according to his philosophy?

[I want the USA back]

It’s not going to change. Ever.

[elcid1970]

This Catholic hopes there will indeed be an exodus of disgruntled liberals from the Church, just so they can take their `priestesses’, guitars, tambourines, insipid music, gay `inclusiveness’ and the `sign of peace’ with them.

Deus vult!

[stop_fascism]

It has, it is.

[SkyPilot]

Refusing to adapt doctrine to modern thought

Anyone who would even give those words credence is blind to Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

Hebrews 13:8

[Cicero]

The Protestant Episcopal Church of America started ordinating women and open homosexuals—and when they started doing that, people ran for the exits in huge numbers.

The Catholic Church is down, too, but not as much. And mainly because so many Bishops and Pastors neglected to do their jobs properly, and because religious instruction of children was turned over to what turned out to be a bunch of left-wing nuns, who were themselves leaving the Church in droves.

Quite the opposite of what this jerk says. But, of course, it is extremely unlikely that he has the good of the Catholic Church in mind. He just wants to remove another obstacle to his liberal dreams.

[ealgeone]

First, there seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of the office of Pope. No Pope can change doctrine; the entire structure of the office aims to preserve and defend doctrine. Anyone looking for changes of “doctrinal substance” from any pontificate is doomed to disappointment, including ill-informed Catholics.

Damon claims to represent “the argument in its entirety,” but he’s in error. The argument offered is one of the points in defense of the doctrine of ordination, but it’s not even the main argument. He then demands a Scriptural reference, which hints at a sola scriptura approach, a theological position which of course the Catholic Church rejects anyway. The truth is more complicated, and requires people to understand the nature of the Mass and the priest’s role within it. This could fill books (and has — I’d recommend Coming Soon or The Lamb’s Supper), but I’ll offer a relatively brief explanation.

Two points:

1) I thought the pope could speak ex cathedra and that established new doctrine belief as he did regarding Mary

2)Actually the answer can be found sola scriptura....as all answers to these type of questions.

[Mastador1]

If people only want something that changes with the wind they can just be democrats. I want to put my faith into something solid, resolute and everlasting.

[Salvation]

Christ chose men for the first apostles, the first Bishops.

[Salvation]

Neither has the Catholic Church watered down its message.

[detective]

“all churches would need to change doctrines to keep up with the modern world, especially the Catholic Church. Refusing to adapt doctrine to modern thought will force an exodus of people from their faiths”

There is not a more false and dishonest statement than one that says doctrine must change to keep up with whatever is considered “modern”. Except in the area of technology, modern means absolutely nothing. It just means what people say it means.

People of faith believe in are universal, unchanging truths. Truth does not change.

Liberals go to bed at night not knowing what they will believe in when they wake up in the morning. National Socialism was modern. They said the future belonged to them. Communism was modern.

I have been a Catholic all my life and I am active in my parish. I do not know of a single sincere Catholic who says they will leave the church unless it becomes more modern. I don't know of a single sincere Catholic who says they will leave the church unless it ordains women.

This is just one more attack on the Catholic Church by those who wish to destroy it. It is the same talking points repeated over and over by liberals. They say that Catholics must be in favor of abortion, homosexuality and whatever is politically correct and stand for nothing. These people have done enormous damage to what is good. They stand for nothing but tearing down the faith and morality that is the foundation of any successful society.

[escapefromboston]

Quick answers to your two points.

1) The Pope can’t and you’re wrong about Mary

2) sola scriptura isn’t taught in the bible

[strider44]

I was just thinking how much we needed another anti Freeper Catholic thread. Or was it anti Freeper Protestant thread? It happens so rarely I get confused...

[NKP_Vet]

The Catholic Church is still here after 2,000 years and if the world stands 2,000 more it will still be here.

[NKP_Vet]

And there will be no women priests, openly homosexual priests, legalization of abortion and homosexual “marriage”.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Many are called, few are chosen.