Posted on 04/03/2014 4:52:36 PM PDT by Rashputin
No, the answer you are looking for can be found in this question:
If a child is born in the gloaming, which day does his birth belong to?
Give him time... He's got 1700 years of religion to defend - It's a big complicated job.
and counting to 3 is hard ; )
ok, having proved with 100% certainty from the Gospel of Luke alone that Jesus died on Friday 3:00pm and rose on the third day, the first day of the week, i now will turn to why the wednesday date of Jesus death as outlined in post #16 is impossible.
the false narrative in post #16 assumes TWO days of preparation that week and TWO sabbath days that week. the 14th and 16th supposedly are the days of preparation and the 15th and 17th of nisan are the supposed sabbath days.
IS THIS WHAT WE FIND IN THE SCRIPTURES?
All four Gospels contain the events of this week AND ALL FOUR GOSPELS AGREE WITH ONLY ONE DAY OF PREPARATION AND ONE SABBATH DAY.
Let’s look at all four:
John - 19:31 is the day of preparation, v 31-42 all happen on this day of preparation. Chapter 20:1 begins immediately on the first day of the week.
John = One day of preparation, one sabbath day.
Luke - 23:54 is the day of preparation and thru v55 continues on this day. v56 mentions “the sabbath”. Chapter 24:1 begins on the first day of the week.
Luke = one day of preparation and one sabbath day.
Matthew - 27:1-61 all occurs on the day of preparation. 27:62-66 is the sabbath day. Chapter 28 begins on the first day of the week.
Matthew = one day of preparation and one sabbath day.
Mark is very interesting as it was written with a Gentile audience in mind. Chapter 15:42 explains the day of preparation is the day before the sabbath, every Jew knows this already, so this was clearly written for the benefit of the gentiles.
Mark - Chapter 15:42-47 all occurs on the day of preparation. Chapter 16 immediately mentions “the sabbath was past”, using the same “the sabbath” contained in 15:42. Chapter 16:2 immediately becomes the first day of the week, after “the sabbath” had past.
Mark - one day of preparation and one sabbath.
All four Gospels are very clear and consistent - one day of preparation and one sabbath day.
The other obvious elephant in the room as to why the narrative in post #16 is false, had the 16th of nisan indeed been a day of preparation, the women would have bought the spices and prepared the body on that day! They would not have waited another two days when there would be a stink to the body.
the other elephant in the room is, the Apostles knew what day Jesus died and what day He rose from the dead. These events are the heart of the Christian message, there is ZERO chance that the early Church did not absolutely know what day Jesus died and all the early Church Fathers agree it was on Friday.
There is no “false narrative” except in your misinterpretation of the statements in Luke.
The 14th of the Aviv is always a preparation day. the 16th day is a regular business day, being the 6th day of the week, and the 17th is the regular weekly Sabbath.
This is indeed what we find in the scriptures if we look at all of the gospels, and don’t selectively read.
When one connects Yeshua’s testimony to the rest of the facts, there is no conflict, unlike the pagan catholic twisting to put the Passover on the regular Sabbath, which is a rare occurrence in any case.
The gospels do call for a regular business day between the Passover and the weekly sabbath, which is the day on which the embalming materials were purchased and applied. These things couldn’t be done on any Sabbath or high day in Judea.
The gospels clearly call for two Sabbath days separated by a regular commercial day, both logically and textually.
assertions, more assertions, but absolutely no scriptural references to back up any of them.
i carefully went through all four Gospels to show they all go chronologically from the sixth day preparation to the sabbath to the first day of the week. ALL OF THEM AGREE.
not one Gospel mentions two separate days of preparation, not one Gospel indicates two sabbath days that week, not one Gospel indicates the women rested twice. NOT ONE.
here is a news flash, people died everyday in Jerusalem, probably 20 a day on average. buying spices to prepare the body WAS NO BIG DEAL, it was an everyday event. probably could be done in 15 minutes to half an hour, leaving the women plenty of time to go to the tomb THE SAME DAY. the fact they did this on the first day of the week rather than the sixth is further proof Jesus died on the sixth day, rested on the seventh and rose on the first day.
here is the true hallmark of a cultist, they take one verse in the Bible, twist it to their own destruction and build a movement around it. in the process, they attack historic, orthodox Christianity with all they have as “pagan”.
Jesus told us ahead of time this would happen, it is still amazing to watch it unfold in our lifetime.
the devil is slick, if he can plant doubts on whether Christians know what day Jesus died, well, what else do they have wrong? the keeping of the 7th day sabbath?? hmm..
YHvH's Feast of Hag Matzoh as the day when all sin(leaven) In addition the day following the Shabbat following the beginning What is not important is which Pagan Day these things happened. Remember Yah'shua was/is/will always be a Jewish King. The wheels came off the cart in 325 CE at Nicea when the Pagan Seek the face of YHvH in His WORD; If you were familiar with YHvH's WORD and His Feast Days
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
you would fully understand when Yah'shua removed all sin
and when He arose as the First Fruits offering to YHvH.
is removed from the bread of life.
of Passover is YHvH's Feast of First Fruits.
All of the Apostles were Torah observant messianic Jews.
Roman Emperor created the Roman "church" out of whole cloth
based not on the WORD but on Pagan Traditions and Worship.
Reject the Pagan Traditions of man.
Galatians 3:23-29
King James Version (KJV)
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Totally not germane to my post. Try to stay on topic. Interesting cut and paste.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Complete nonsense!
Get a copy of the Chronological gospels, which compare each day side by side on the same page for all four gospels. This is the only way to quickly establish an understanding.
Your present method is a blind man without a stick walking through a mine field. You don’t stand a chance.
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The wheels came off the cart in 325 CE at Nicea when the Pagan
Roman Emperor created the Roman “church” out of whole cloth
based not on the WORD but on Pagan Traditions and Worship.
this is on topic??
it is very interesting, i’d love to learn how the pagan roman emperor did this and i’d love to learn the reaction by the “true” Church when he did this. did you learn this in a dan brown novel?
still no scriptural references provided, you have to admire the consistency.
If you can comprehend the entire post.
ah, if you only comprehended my galatians cut and paste.........in Christ, there is neither Jew nor Greek.
any time you want to school me on the pagan roman emperor and 325ad and his creating the roman church, i am always ready to learn!
That is impossible without your exegesis.
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