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To: D-fendr; cva66snipe
Then it should be clear that those who claim to be led in different directions to different doctrines by the one Holy Spirit are in error.

Then there are areas which are called *disputable matters*

God does not demand lockstep adherence to church doctrine. Just because two people disagree with some point of doctrine does not mean one of them is lying or that one or both of them are not being led by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 14:1-23 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. It is written:

“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God.’”

So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God. Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.

Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.

So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

195 posted on 04/23/2014 10:03:34 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom
Believe it or not I honestly do not dislike the Catholic Church nor do I dislike Catholics. One cousin is a Priest specializing in Canon Law several others are Baptist preachers.

28 Years ago several Nuns helped me and my then girlfriend now wife through a very rough time where some very major decisions were made and had to be made in a short time frame. She was more or less under their literal protection in a hospital. One Nun IIRC was a black belt LOL.

One Nun helped me when emotionally and mentally I had about reached the end of my rope. Too many things happened in too short a time frame and most of it catastrophic in nature except for a woman I had met after loosing my wife and a bond that soon formed between us.

Her stay in that hospital was three months. he Nun discerned between an abusive ex spouse, a sadist father of my girlfriend, and me. On our wedding day her dad went off on my girlfriend. The Nun heard him and her step mom cursing her and hung up the phone. She told my girlfriend don't listen to them.. Not that he cared, he didn't. He was going to put her away and the kids in an orphanage. Same thing he tried to do to her as a toddler. We found out later how sick in the head he really was.

Her ex? A real piece of work who left her to raise the kids for a girl his daughters age and his daughter was not old enough to drive yet. He was abusive and part of the reason for the hospital stay although he had let two years earlier. Ones spine especially near the neck can only take so many blows.

When I speak of The Holy Spirit I do not speak lightly. About the sixth day into being told her arms would never come away from her chest two preachers she knew laid on hands for healing. What happened next is hard to describe. A peace unlike one I have known of this world came over me. One I have not experienced since and with it a message given me in a way I have not had since. The message as if a voice was "It's going to be OK". Meaning this is to be I am with you.

I told her but for a few weeks told no one else. Now some could mistake it as hey she's going to get up and walk. No that wasn't the message at all. After that my emotions shut down for a day or so. I told her I needed to go and think. I made it about three miles and came back only not to her room. I was outside the Chapel and an elderly Nun said step into my office a few minutes. She asked me what was going on and I told her. She said it's normal you'll be OK in a few days go rest. I did and a day or two later I was ok an in a better frame of mind.

We had discussed marriage maybe a year off before this hit her. But events started unfolding at a fast pace. The kids dad was unfit. Her dad was unfit. She had no other family. I knew in my heart before this happened I loved her. Her stay three months there. In the second month a few days before Thanksgiving we were married in the Chapel. The guest besides her kids and my parents? The Nuns and the Chaplain a Priest. We were married by her preacher who knew the full circumstances of her previous marriage.

Sometimes there are no easy answers. We must pray and act in faith. Why was I told what I was told? Because it strengthen me at a lowest point in my life. GOD had a plan for us. That plan had begun to fall into place months before when my first wife suddenly passed one morning. Why GOD why was the question for a couple of months. GOD had a plan. After returning to work after her death I took a transfer to where my future wife worked and that is where we met.

We began eating lunch together and going to movies taking the kids. I was with her the last steps she took before collapsing in a local mall and as she was describing her transition from this existence to the next one while we were racing under police escort to the hospital.

I know "It's going to be OK". The first year was hard. But it made both of us grow much closer to The Lord and realize how much we needed Him. It changed lives for the better. Ours, the kids, and others. Fives years into our marriage I had an urgency put on me to study The Bible. About four years later I developed my own disability which robs me of the ability to often times concentrate and produces seizure type activity in my shoulder blades and neck. This is why sometimes my posting is not quite readable. This is sensory triggered It won't kill me but there is no cure either. Just medication to take to done down my sensory system. But Thank GOD it left me physically strong. This in turn made me more dependent on my wife and she became in part my caregiver as well.

People can become legalistic to a point to where they would not hear The Lord trying to lead them if He were shouting. But our years together have been a blessing from GOD. He certainly knew our futures and He certainly put us together at the exact right time almost down to the literal minutes.

I think a person should unless lead by The Holy Spirit to do otherwise should stay in the church where they were called. Christians wasted far too much time trying to convert other Christians and I've been guilty of that a lot myself.

200 posted on 04/23/2014 11:16:40 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: metmom
Just because two people disagree with some point of doctrine does not mean one of them is lying or that one or both of them are not being led by the Holy Spirit.

If it's contradictory doctrine and both claim to have gotten it via the Holy Spirit, one is wrong. It cannot be otherwise.

201 posted on 04/24/2014 7:48:42 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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