Orthodox Jewish Website Condemns Judge’s Forcing Circumcision on Gentile

The Jewish Independent ^ | May 19, 2014 | Yori Yanover

[Tzvi INN.com]

Don’t get me wrong, as a Jewish person, I support with every fiber in my body the requirement, even the need for Jewish parents to circumcise their sons. But over the years, I’ve read tons of evidence proving both sides of the circumcision debate, and I have had no use for them. The only valid reason I see for the brutal attack with a sharp knife on a defenseless infant is if God said so.

[mfish13]

not even if it is shown that it reduces the risk of cancer?

[Mr Ramsbotham]

Looks like he’s accepted the opposition’s premise.

[ClearCase_guy]

you signed the contract, you can’t change your mind about it.

Fundamentally, the purpose of government is to enforce contract law. If people start throwing contracts out the window, and if judges shrug and say, "That's OK" then you don't really have government in any real sense.

[Telepathic Intruder]

“Brutal attack with a sharp knife” is overly dramatic. If there are in fact “tons of evidence” proving both sides of the debate, I’ve yet to hear them.

[LearsFool]

“God said so” because it’s a good thing - just like everything else God has commanded. Although the Law of Moses has been made obsolete by the gospel, medical science has confirmed many of its instructions to be beneficial. (Surprise, surprise!) Circumcision is one of them.

As to the “brutal attack with a sharp knife on a defenseless infant”: That’s rather silly. What if the child needed a different surgical operation? Parents who love their child will do what is best for him, even when it’s painful.

[gasport]

brutal attack with a sharp knife

You want a dull knife?

[beef]

From the article:

“I could see the judge ordering folks to avoid becoming 60 on the grounds that it could make their penis sick, but it would probably be overturned.”

This guy is obviously not the deepest thinker.

[yldstrk]

My sons are circumcised. That being said, it was a medical procedure, I am not now against it, I never gave it much thought, but I agree with this mother. Why the idiot father wants it done is to control the situation and he is just like so many fathers that want to control things.

I also agree with the writer that it is an attack on this child, not medically necessary or called for.

[Netz]

Another Jew objecting to his G-d given commandment which his ancestors followed for thousands of years. It has been shown that this practice is safer than not circumcising and toss away the gross violation of infant civil liberties BS. An 8 day year old Jewish male child is circumcised not just for health reasons but because it is a mark of the bond between Jews and G-d, yes, a friggin’ covenant for ALL TIME so stop your bellyaching you ACLU type. I'm a Jew too.

[the_daug]

A Jew is obligated to circumcise from Genesis 17:10 Exodus 4:24-26 is before the law and the covenant at Sinai.

[JayGalt]

The procedure is not medically necessary. There are voices for and against routine circumcision. Contract law is all well and good but it was just the contract for a plan and plans change.
This is a terrible time in a boy’s life to choose for a circumcision in view of the psychosocial development going on. For a judge to tell a mother she needs to basically lie to her son is a further outrage.
This is what comes of giving judges too much power over individual freedom. Neither the Mom nor the child has broken the law and they do not deserve to have their freedom of choice abridged over a medical procedure that is in many medical circles considered not only unnecessary but also detrimental. Just ask plastic surgeons who can utilize this skin if needed for grafting due to some misadventure.

[usconservative]

If people start throwing contracts out the window, and if judges shrug and say, "That's OK" then you don't really have government in any real sense.

You mean like the Obama Administration did when they negated the rights of GM and Chrysler's bond, debt and stockholders during the "auto industry bailouts?"

We ALREADY don't have Government in any real sense, what we have has been lawless tyranny since January 2009.

[ClearCase_guy]

Oh, I agree. Just pointing out that in smaller, more local cases, if people stop respecting contracts, then they are offering support to Obama-style tyranny through "do-gooder" judges.

We have a fascist system now.

[Tennessee Nana]

the brutal attack with a sharp knife on a defenseless infant
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and I always thought that the Nanny was such a nice girl...

[Smokin' Joe]

“Brutal attack with a sharp knife” is overly dramatic.

Well, they did it to me and I couldn't walk for a year!

[GailA]

U.S. Will Spend $24.5M to Circumcise Men in Swaziland
Melanie Hunter
4/14/2014

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-hunter/us-will-spend-245m-circumcise-men-swaziland

Predominately a muslim country, not going to work. It is a painful procedure, which is why it is done in hospital before a male baby is released to go home. Not done on Preemies until they reach a certain weight.

[LearsFool]

A Jew is obligated to circumcise from Genesis 17:10 Exodus 4:24-26 is before the law and the covenant at Sinai.

Abraham's descendents, you mean? Would that include Edomites? ;-)

Nevertheless, it was a commandment of the Law of Moses, and as such was regarded by many Jews as necessary for becoming one of God's people. (See Acts 15, for instance.) They were wrong.

[ravenwolf]

My sons are circumcised. That being said, it was a medical procedure, I am not now against it,

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You are not against it so obviously you just don`t like men being the head of the family, with that attitude this cowboy don`t want to be your hero.

[yldstrk]

The dude in the case is not the “head of the family”, you silly, he is a baby daddy, doesn’t even live with the woman and child. The child is not a baby, he is 3 or 4. This is not a necessary medical procedure, it is an unreasonable demand by an idiot sperm donor.

You must not be a very astute cowboy.