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Dust on the Hymnal: Pondering the Decline of Hymn Singing in American Denominations
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 6/1/2014 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 06/02/2014 1:42:10 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: markomalley

I don’t care for it at all. Imho, it’s an unwelcome distraction.


61 posted on 06/02/2014 8:50:04 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: buffaloguy
I am a shape note singer and although Southern Gospel developed from shape note the two are very different.

True that. A problem with Southern Gospel, as well as much modern music is the talent and skill required for its rendition. The old Singing Masters, who invented and promoted shape note, had the belief that ALL could be taught to sing.

If one looks at the songs in this old tradition, among other thing, one notices that the tonal range is seldom more that an octave and a half. And the keynote is set for the convenience of the class. Not too high for the trebles nor too low for the basses.

62 posted on 06/02/2014 8:54:16 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Haiku Guy; buridan
How can you change The Battle Hymn of the Republic?

It has already been changed. I doubt that there is a hymnal in print that contains its third verse:

I have read a fiery Gospel writ in burnished rows of steel;
"As ye deal with My contemners, so with you My grace shall deal";
Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with His heel,
Since God is marching on.
With Christianity and civilization itself under attack around the globe, I find this verse especially relevant and inspiring today.
63 posted on 06/02/2014 8:54:55 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: trisham

I like moments of silence too. In my opinion there is too much noise/music during the Mass.


64 posted on 06/02/2014 9:00:29 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Fiji Hill

A sheaf is also a bundle of stalks of grain not separated from their individual stalk. They were cut, bundled or “sheaved together” into a round bundle of a size suitable for the separating and milling of the grain after the “sheaf” was suitably dried.

Micah 4:12 AND ITS SURROUNDING CONTEXT OF VERSES should now be much more understandable for you now! The floor referred to was a “threshing” floor


65 posted on 06/02/2014 9:03:05 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: trisham

” I don’t care for it at all. Imho, it’s an unwelcome distraction. “

As one who particularly likes the Low Mass, I sympathize.


66 posted on 06/02/2014 9:08:04 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: mom4melody; markomalley; NYer

A ‘sheave’ is a bundle of wheat stalks that have not had the grain removed. It is from the old days before combines, when the wheat was cut with a sythe, then bundled into armloads using a wheat stalk to tie the bundle and then taken to the threshing floor.

And the kids think that the shepards were dogs that came in from the hills, not know they were the folks who herded the sheep.


67 posted on 06/02/2014 9:24:34 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: don-o

Exactly. It is written to be sung, not just listened to.

It can be wondetfully complex music.

And it is a fun way to blow the fuzz, crackle and gravel out of your voice.


68 posted on 06/02/2014 9:39:05 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: 728b

Hymnal Ping.

So. What’s your favorite hymnal?

(as if I didn’t know?)


69 posted on 06/02/2014 9:42:56 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: mdmathis6

It is rare to read an educated critique of worship music. Thank you.


70 posted on 06/02/2014 10:11:58 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: mom4melody

Personally, I don’t think the world has anything to compare to the ‘worship’ genre of music. ‘CCM’ was an OK landing place for me for a while, but today I turn on ‘christian radio’ and I don’t like the music. Maybe some consider Hillsong, Bethel, or many of the KC-IHOP musicians too much like CCM or ‘pop’ish, but I try to listen to worship music a lot. Driving to work, home from work, and while I am at work...


71 posted on 06/02/2014 11:05:01 AM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (Yes, I am happy to see you. But that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: markomalley

http://www.christianpost.com/news/pc-usa-removes-in-christ-alone-from-hymnal-because-of-line-about-gods-wrath-exclusion-is-theological-blunder-says-lay-committee-president-101483/

72 posted on 06/02/2014 11:31:20 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
A good number of years classical voice training, public speaking....a good amatuer singer or used to be...kind of rusty now but always a lover of music. I built a few speakers, constructed a sound/video room for a church once though my regular job is registered nursing. I know what sounds good and I know clashes in the soul! Even when I'm without gadgetry, I have music always and I never get bored! Bach B minor mass to Hector Berlios...in my head I can let the symphonies rip and the choirs sing! Ever be a part of a group praising the Lord in 8 parts in your head in A flat major while dreaming then waking up as the echoes die away with your soul afire.... yet despairing that the most beautiful song you ever heard was quickly slipping away from conscious memory? That has happened to me. I regret not having done more with music, but that was more due to mis-steps on my part and with family circumstances. Yet God is gracious and I praise him for good things he has done for me and my family!
73 posted on 06/02/2014 11:59:30 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: GreyFriar; mom4melody; markomalley; NYer; mdmathis6
This quote is even more relevant to the song "Bringing in the Sheaves":

"He who goes out weeping, carrying seed to sow, will return with songs of joy, carrying sheaves with him."--Psalm 126:6

74 posted on 06/02/2014 12:01:55 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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75 posted on 06/02/2014 12:04:02 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Responsibility2nd
So. What’s your favorite hymnal?

My two favorites are The Old Fashioned Revival Hour Song Book (Winona Lake, Ind.: Rodeheaver, 1950) and The Old Fashioned Revival Hour Song Book No. 2 (Winona Lake, Ind.: Rodeheaver, 1950), both compiled by Charles E. Fuller and H. Leland Green. These are full of good old American protestant hymns and gospel songs, mostly from 1865-1917. Fuller, who founded the Fuller Theological Seminary, ran the Old Fashioned Revival Hour, a religious radio broadcast now available online, and Green directed its chorus choir.

76 posted on 06/02/2014 12:24:07 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: mdmathis6
I regret not having done more with music

To be able to earn a decent living in music is rare. The best most can do is savor the time they do get preforming.

77 posted on 06/02/2014 12:47:19 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: markomalley

I’m a musician. I attend either the music early mass or Latin w wonderful choir. Hated the evangelical ditties! I sing along w CDs if I want great hymns. I also miss them very
Much.


78 posted on 06/02/2014 1:08:18 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Fiji Hill; All

“we will come rejoicing, bringing in the sheaves...!”

So we’ve established the very scriptural inspiration to a so called “dusty’ hymn. Psalm 126!


79 posted on 06/02/2014 1:22:22 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: MayflowerMadam

What about New King James Version(not kjv 2000)?


80 posted on 06/02/2014 1:23:59 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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