Posted on 06/02/2014 3:21:30 PM PDT by NYer
1. Faith alone saves.
2. Works follow salvation by faith.
Please contrast that with any man-made religious belief that works save. They do not.
“I take it to mean what it says.”
You would understand what it says, if you took time to outline Jame’s argument in chapter two.
Have you done that yet?
Have you done your word study on all uses of “is” in NT Greek yet?
Except this is directly rejected by Scripture
You follow a man-made belief that is not in alignment with the clear words of Scripture.
“You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.” James 2:24
What part of “not by faith alone.” don't you understand????
“Except this is directly rejected by Scripture”
No.
“You follow a man-made belief that is not in alignment with the clear words of Scripture.”
No. Any religion that makes salvation dependent on works is man-made and pagan.
“What part of “not by faith alone.” don’t you understand???? “
It appears you have not actually outlined James yet, or you wouldn’t even have to ask this question. It would be self-evident to you. Why not??
I don’t know anyone who believes works can save.
We are saved by grace.
We are not saved by Faith Alone, because the Bible tells me so.
“You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.” James 2:24
"For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26
"For he will render to every man according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are factious and do not obey the truth, but obey wickedness, there will be wrath and fury."
Question – if you have Faith but no works, are you saved?
“Question – if you have Faith but no works, are you saved? “
I think I’ve answered this at least 4 times already. Do you actually read what I’ve taken time to post to you?
No. Any religion that makes salvation dependent on works is man-made and pagan.
So do you believe that there is a place already set aside for you in Heaven?
Do you believe that everyone goes to Heaven?
Do you believe in the Judgment by the Lord on your death?
So how do you know that your faith is righteous to God and not a false faith based on your understanding of the Bible?
In a previous post, I thought you expressed that one can show his love for God and his neighbor by good works?
It is a fallacy only if it is in error, so far no one has any of mine to be in error. No one called him an idiot.
Cynical bears post 783:Colleges are full of idiots with PHDs. What exactly was CB saying about this world renowned theologian and scholar? Also the purpose of exaggeration is to point out just how ridiculous the opponents arguments are. You will that I do that with some of the points you tried but failed to make.
I pointed out that instead of facts, you punted by using the logical fallacy of appeal to authority, as if this person should be believed.
So when protestants appeal to the authority of the Bible they are committing the logical fallacy of appealing to authority? Is this what you want to be on record as saying?
In my years in seminary, and for years afterwards as I taught adults, I translated passages from Greek to English. Today, there are so many tools available, it is faster to use the tools.
Now you are appealing to your own "expertise" as an authority. Why should I take your word of a world renowned theologian and scholar? Seriously have you written and had published a recognized interlinear translation of the Bible. And as far as time in the seminary, I attended one as well.
He doesn't need to. I did it several years ago and gave him a copy of it. Your understanding is flawed.
Just as all of us will face the Judgment of our Lord on our Faith and works (actions).
Two different scenarios...The first one is chastising the kids...The 2nd one is throwing them into outer darkness, forever...
If you are a child of God, he will chastise you for being a bad kid...He won't send you into an eternity of torture and pain...
Oh, and on that judgment thing for faith and works; Christians have been judged already...We have been deemed to be 'just'...When we stand before Jesus he will burn up any record of our bad works and we will be rewarded on our good works, if we have any...
One of those statements is true while the other two are false fabrications...If you spend even a fraction of your time studying the bible and bible history instead of Greek and Catholic history you'd know something worth knowing...
Yes. “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” Matthew 28:19, 20
First lesson in reading comprehension is that things that are not the same, are different...
Oh and BTW, do you guys also handle poisonous snakes as the next verse tells you about??? No??? Out of the will of God???
As the verse says, water doesn't save you...What saves you??? Not an appeal to God for a good conscience...That doesn't make any sense...What saves you is:
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
A good conscience...FAITH...
Baptism now saves you. Do you see that phrase. That is called an independent clause. The dependent clause is that which follows. "Baptism now saves you" stands alone.
No, it doesn’t. The Greek word Ekklesia never meant what the word “church” means either in a building or in an organization or group. The closest Greek that can be associated with today’s word “church” comes from the Greek kuriakê oikia which means “the house belong to the lord” or “the Lord’s house” which was only used by pagans for the house the Lord Mithra the “sun-god”. Even in 1 Timothy 3:15 the word “kuriakê” is not use but only the word “oikō” which is translated “household”.
The Greek word “ekklesia” does mean those in an assembly who have been “called out” but never meant what people use the word “church” to mean.
The Greek kuriakê oikia ("house of the lord") relates to many different languages: Icelandic kirkja; Swedish kyrka; Norwegian and Danish kirke; German Kirche; Dutch kerk, Estonian kirik, Finnish kirkko and Old English cirice → Middle English chirche → today’s English church.
It was the pagans whose focus was on buildings, statues, ritual and physical objects and called the building kuriakê oikia which reminds us of one of the religions today.
What about Matt. 12:40 is troubling you? That it calls Jonah to mind or that it says Christ will come out of the tomb after three days? Remember, it DID happen, else we’d not be talking about our Redeemer. We’d be just another religion, pointing to the tomb of our dead founder. Or is using Jonah as a metaphor that you can’t grasp?
So what troubles you about it? What’s “man-made” about that verse? Please, enquiring minds want to know!!! And what was I supposed to say? Beyond the fact that I agree with hetr that the verse means what it says and uses Jonah to point to the Christ, what IS there to say?
1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
You ignore the clear words of Scripture because of your man-made beliefs
So what must be added?
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