Posted on 06/24/2014 2:13:28 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Earthly, man run, churches are polluted with worldly perversions. That is the nature of worldly sin, or original sin. I do my best to be a light of truth, but I am a work in progress. I try to help my little church just get better how ever I can do it....with God`s guidance and with a humble attitude.
Read your Bible. Christ breathed on the apostlels, making them the first Bishops, giving them the power to forgive sins or hold sins bound.
How old is your church?
Which pamphlet did that come out of?
Why do you say such things?
It is not true.
Talmud, as I understand it, did not exist until a few centuries after Paul’s life.
A few years back, a handful of FRoman Catholics made the same accusation. All women. What is it about the Apostle Paul that (some) women don't like?
Are you saying that Jesus Christ was not true God and true man?
He did.
He chose Jesus>
Jesus chose - and taught - his Disciples and chose the 12 Apostles = lived with them, taught them for 3 years.
And they set up a set format for adding a new Apostle after one was killed. It did not include a 'blinding light on a road somewhere and 'wham' - an Apostle - who had never met Jesus, never met with the Apostles, spent ten years, as a Roman commander hunting down and killing every Christian he could = who, after proclaiming himself an Apostle, deigned to even go to Jerusalem and meet with the leaders of the church - and it was JAMES THE JUST, Blood brother of Jesus that was the head of followers, not Peter - etc etc - there's a LOT of information -
But quite simply, as to the blinding light (convenient as Paul then didn't need to describe what Jesus, whom he's never met, looked like = etc) - Jesus didn't work that way.
To say that Paul was needed to basically save Christianity - is to say Jesus failed.
The main difference between Jesus's and Paul's teaching - Paul, in bed with the Romans, helped set up the church with the power, pomp & circumstances - and money, structure. NOT wast Jesus taught.
live links next post
http://www.sullivan-county.com/id4/qumran.htm
The Bible is not a pamphlet.
http://www.sullivan-county.com/id4/qumran.htm
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/maccoby2.htm
http://www.justgivemethetruth.com/paul_was_a_deceiver.htm
RE: Paul, in bed with the Romans, helped set up the church with the power, pomp & circumstances
How did he do that when he himself was persecuted, jailed and possibly executed by the Romans?
RE: What is it about the Apostle Paul that (some) women don’t like?
We can probably start here:
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
“As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church”
Then, we can continue here:
” I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions just as I handed them on to you. But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the husband is the head of his wife, and God is the head of Christ. Any man who prays or prophesies with something on his head disgraces his head, but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled disgraces her head—it is one and the same thing as having her head shaved. For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or to be shaved, she should wear a veil. For a man ought not to have his head veiled, since he is the image and reflection of God; but woman is the reflection of man. Indeed, man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for the sake of woman, but woman for the sake of man. For this reason a woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man or man independent of woman. For just as woman came from man, so man comes through woman; but all things come from God. Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head unveiled? Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. But if anyone is disposed to be contentious— we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.” (1 Corinthians 11:2-16)
Christian church is about 2000 years old...Probably the Roman Christian church is is a little younger than the Jewish Christian churches....but that makes sense since Jesus taught among the Jews first in Palestine, then he taught others...in Palestine... It was after the resurection that the big push happened. Thanks to Paul....and to the other characters in ACTS.
Acts 15 shows the apostles commissioned Paul and gave him authority:
Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
“Salvation(the poster) is wrong.”
Nope. Salvation is absolutely correct.
“The Catholic Church is a perversion, by men, of the One True Church.”
No, the Catholic Church IS the One, True Church.
Radix wrote:
“Talmud, as I understand it, did not exist until a few centuries after Paul’s life.”
As far as I can recall, Judaism has always had a ‘book of why’, which is where the Talmud is based upon.
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Paul was a great human manifestation, perhaps the greatest, of the Holy Spirit.
Or perhaps it is better said that the that the Holy Spirit manifested itself in him in a most powerful and unique way.
Hitler said he hijacked it
http://usccb.org/bible/acts/15
Acts 15 is about the Council of Jerusalem. LOL!
So did St. Paul do nothing before that?
So wrong.
Christ in the vision that Paul had gave Paul authority, in fact Christ commanded him to stop persecuting the Christians and go talk to Ananias in the next town.
Robbing Peter to pay Paul?
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