CAUTION!! RELIGION BASHING THREAD!!
This thread does not praise God. It weakens faith.
Beware wolves in sheep's clothing.
Posted on 06/25/2014 5:57:31 AM PDT by Colofornian
...The Herald Journal of Logan, Utah is running an online poll asking readers, “Would you support the excommunication of Mormon activists John Dehlin and Kate Kelly?” At the time of this writing, the “No” response outnumbered “Yes” by nearly 4 to 1.
Mormon blogger Jana Riess is very troubled by the Church’s actions toward Kelly and Dehlin. She asked, “Are we looking at a Mormon purge?”...
“If the point of these pending excommunications is to strike fear in the hearts of other Latter-day Saints who love the Church but do not always agree with it on matters of social justice, then it has already failed. For Zion’s sake, and for my own, I will not keep silent.”
This disciplinary action by the Mormon Church has caused Dr. Riess to plant her flag, choosing freedom of thought and expression over allegiance to the Church.
Tim Malone is a Mormon blogger () who loves the Church and sustains Church leaders. Nevertheless, he wrote that he can no longer stand idly by and watch injustice done. Therefore, he surrendered his temple recommend:
“Because I disagree with the excommunications taking place in other stakes of individuals I have come to know and love – first online and then in person – I felt it would be less than honest to keep my temple recommend. I turned it in because I could no longer answer no to the question about ‘affiliating’ or ‘sympathizing’ with individuals who the church has cast out for apostasy. I do sympathize with them and I do intend to affiliate with them…” (emphasis in the original)
Because of the Church’s disciplinary actions toward Kate Kelly, John Dehlin, and Alan Rock Waterman (Pure Mormonism), another Mormon blogger has found the courage to come out of hiding and publicly declare,
(Excerpt) Read more at blog.mrm.org ...
The end of this piece focuses on another who realized it was time to leave the Mormon Church.
So when are Catholics going to excommunicate the libs?
“If the point of these pending excommunications is to strike fear in the hearts of other Latter-day Saints who love the Church but do not always agree with it on matters of social justice, then it has already failed. For Zion’s sake, and for my own, I will not keep silent.”
From earlier in the article:
Kate Kelly, the founder of Ordain Women (which seeks to bring about change in the Mormon Church’s priesthood restrictions) and John Dehlin, the man behind Mormon Stories Podcast (which features discussions of interest to Mormons questioning various aspects of their faith) were both notified that they are facing “excommunication for apostasy.”
Perhaps the Catholic bishops will grow a pair and do their sacred duty to ex communicate heretics as the Church has done throughout its history.
Actually, I support the LDS church in these excommunications, because exactly these same arguments by social leftists have devastated and even caused schism in many other churches.
The bottom line is that such people do not give a rat’s behind for “their” religion or supposed faith. Instead they want to undermine it so that eventually it becomes just another mouthpiece for the leftist agenda.
So to hell with them. They are corrupters in whatever organization they join, and not just religions. And such corrupters ruin whatever they touch. So whether or not you embrace or even like the Mormon faith, show no sympathy to such scoundrels as these women, because only human suffering results from their actions.
They are not Mormons. They are progressives. And they should not just be turned out, but flogged in the public square, like the rest of their kind.
ALL: Worldview #1 assumption revealed in this statement:
That somehow ALL religions are worth protecting in whatever "pristine" shape the leaders say it is, even tho in this particular case the Mormon leaders themselves have made many major changes to it [Examples: from monogamy to polygamy to monogamy but still advocate polygamy for eternity; from blacks not allowed into the priesthood -- except for one 19th century guy -- to being allowed; from one God advocated thru most of its first decade to multiple gods; etc.]
Worldview #2 assumption revealed in this statement:
That religions aren't in need of either reformation, transformation, or restoration from the ground up. [Protestants across the board don't buy into this at all or there would have never been THE Reformation...and even Mormons, on principle, reject such a statement because it would leave absolutely no room for their supposed "restoration" that occurred in the late 1820s to 1830].
Bottom line: Joseph Smith attempted to "undermine" the entire Christian faith with his start-up religion. Yet no mention of that by you.
This thread does not praise God. It weakens faith.
Beware wolves in sheep's clothing.
[ALL: Caution...this poster bashes people who post in this thread, accusing them of being bashers...and failing to praise God...and faith-weakening...very judgmental...quite unbashful about bashing such posters in this thread...all in the name of supposedly “not bashing”...Warning: Hypocrytical religious verbiage]
LDS doctrine and theology deserves the scrutiny and even their own leaders have challenged Christians to scrutinize it...so why are your panties all twisted up?
• Orson Pratt - "convince us of our errors of doctrine, if we have any, by reason, by logical arguments, or by the word of God, and we will be ever grateful for the information" The Seer, p. 15 (1854)
• George A. Smith - "If a faith will not bear to be investigated; if its preachers and professors are afraid to have it examined, their foundation must be very weak." Journal of Discourses, vol. 14, p. 216 (1871)
• Brigham Young - "I have had many revelations; I have seen and heard for myself, and know these things are true, and nobody on earth can disprove them. ... I say to the whole world, receive the truth, no matter who presents it to you. Take up the Bible, compare the religion of the Latter-day Saints with it, and see if it will stand the test." Journal of Discourses, vol. 16, p. 46 (1873)
• Brigham Young - "I am here to give this people, called Latter-day Saints, counsel to direct them in the path of life. ... If there is an Elder here, or any member of this Church, called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who can bring up the first idea, the first sentence that I have delivered to the people as counsel that is wrong, I really wish they would do it; but they cannot do it, for the simple reason that I have never given counsel that is wrong; this is the reason." Journal of Discourses, vol. 16, p. 161 (1873)
• Wilford Woodruff - "I am willing to exchange all the errors and false notions I have for one truth, and should consider that I had made a good bargain. We are not afraid of light and truth. Our religion embraces every truth in heaven, earth or hell; it embraces all truth" Journal of Discourses, vol. 18, p. 117 (1875)
Do you plan to become a God? If not, why not? If so, then you better jump on over to the mormon side.
Oh, wait, you're already there, but just unwilling to make the commitment to all of the pagan rites and rituals and especially the garments...am I right?
Are you a Freemason? Shoot, you already know all of the "sacred", not secret temple rituals...you'd be a shoo in.
I thought personal attacks were not allowed on these threads.
“I love Mormons; my heritage is Lds; my relatives are Lds.”
I note that you did not say that you are one.
But truthfully, your animosity, or not, of Mormons is really not the issue. My own indifference to them and their faith also matters little, up to the point where there is an effort to harness them for evil purposes. Which I do believe these persons were trying to do.
Were these people neo-Nazis, trying to persuade the Mormons of the virtues of fascism, I would feel the same. For it does not matter to me what Mormons are; because this is their business. What matters to me is that they keep their house clean of active evil. What Mormons do that you dislike, or not, pales before what their embrace of the active evil of socialism could accomplish.
So I ask you to look outside the box of your feelings to them. Your preconceived ideas of what they are. Fight your squabble when there is not the bigger battle looming.
Well, at least you're not alone amongst FREEPERS who have ventured into an Lds thread and then sought to make their case about a "bigger battle looming."
Others have sought to make it about the "bigger issue" of the...
...battles vs. the Democrats...
...Or Islam & Islamic terrorists...
I've literally used the following response -- or versions thereof -- to respond to this notion.
So, I'll repost the version I did from march 10, 2013:
(Well, I'm glad we don't take our spiritual cues from you on this...but reference Jesus Christ instead!)
Here's what I mean:
"I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him." (Luke 12:4-5)
So does Jesus say, "fear the Marxists/communists?" (No) Instead, does He say to exercise fear of the One who has authority to cast somebody into hell? (Yes)
So, indeed, our "fear" is on behalf of those who are placing their eternal spiritual lives at risk.
Besides, some of us actually know how to multi-task!!!
[God forbid we'd ever have to go to war with the same # of frontlines as happened with our WWII vets! Judging from your comment, which, BTW, represents DOZENS of other FReepers ... too many are multi-tasking challenged when it comes to taking on more than one concern at a time!]
Is it September already?
Take your straw man to a catholic thread.
Not a straw man. I just want all Christian churches to excommunicate lieberals
If I were a MORMON; I'd have to ask:
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