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To: af_vet_1981
>>Tell me which churches are the holy catholic apostolic church.>>>p> There are no “churches” which are the “catholic apostolic church”. The called out of God meet in many different places and assemblies. Even “where two or three are gathered in my name”. Even the Catholic Church admits that the term “church” originated from the Greek word kyriakon which means “the Lords house” and relates to a building. Not once is that word used to denote an “assembly” of God’s “called out” ecclesia.

I'll simply ignore you misuse of scripture.

243 posted on 07/09/2014 2:42:48 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear
The called out of God meet in many different places and assemblies. Even “where two or three are gathered in my name”.

Yes, I'm also going by the definition of the Greek ekklesia so that is fine. I read your comments as asserting that any meeting of believers, including just two believers, constitute an ekklesia, but only when they meet. Individually they are not members of an ekklesia, only when there are at least two of them together. That is an interesting doctrine of ecclesiology; it sounds like you gave that some thought.

If that is indeed what you meant, the structure of this scripture seems odd; why write that "if" (Strong's defines it only as "if, in case") ? Where else, by definition, could a "called out assembly" meet if not in "one place ?" Ref: 1 Cor 14:23

If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad ?

244 posted on 07/09/2014 5:33:40 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: CynicalBear
Another scripture that does not seem to fit the model of only a "called out assembly" are Acts 8:1-3 and Galations 1:12-14

And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles. And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him. As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.


And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia: For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:

There seems to be: 1) knowledge of exactly where the bona fide churches exist (we see this in all the Scripture where they are addressed by location and names) 2) church by location, even when not assembled at that time.

Perhaps you meant something other than what I think you meant; could it be something like "those who assemble every day or weekly in a particular location, even if it be ahouse, belong to that local church, and it is known to, and addressable by, The LORD Jesus, the Apostles (or their designated successors), and other churches that they set up to hold the same faith and doctrine ?

245 posted on 07/09/2014 5:47:00 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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