Posted on 08/31/2014 6:59:37 PM PDT by ebb tide
Please document for us all of the cases of non-Catholics burned at the stake, with the official approval of the Catholic Church hierarchy, anywhere in the world, since the year 1845.
You're not an SSPXer and you fully grasp the subject of this discussion.
See #28.
That is a tacit admission that the Catholic church engaged in it before 1845.
And in that time, the Catholic church has met its match in power and it has been prohibited from acting in such a way.
Nevertheless, my point wasn’t that it had been done in recent history or not, but that that mindset is still alive and well within Catholicism.
That point which Catholics seem to be evading instead of condemning.
And you’re not the only one on this thread who we’ve seen not condemn the mindset of burning heretics at the stake.
Good point. But very few of our anti-Catholic separated brethren grasp it, and they should refrain from commenting on an issue about which they know nothing.
The bishop who is the subject of this thread is very well known in conservative and (non-schismatic) traditional Catholic circles. He has written on liturgical issues especially to include receiving the Holy Eucharist kneeling and on the tongue, and has been the subject of numerous conservative and (non-schismatic) traditional Catholic articles and blog posts.
Bump for later.
I do believe that taking the Eucharist in hand is a practice that should be done away with. I receive on the tongue whenever I can. Kneeling would be preferred. I think this in the hand thing came because modern man is always in a hurry and it is faster to receive in the hand. But why do we have to be in such a hurry all the time?
I do pray that the Church will not cave to the liberals on who can receive. Time will tell.
Oh?
The old chastisements didn't seem to do much for them.
That get's a bit tiring.
Doesn’t take long, no heavy reading or tests to take.
I've been - I've noticed.
I kinda suspected that...
(Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Roast 'em Danno!)
Ha ha
Your catholic brethren should be required to do the same!
Au contraire. The liberals in the hierarchy can't arbitrarily excommunicate SSPX priests (although it is clear some would like to) because they are not schismatic, so they have done the next best thing by contriving to make the status of these priests so ambiguous that many Catholics fear any type of association with them.
Meanwhile, purveyors of Masses such as the one I was forced to attend while on travel (rock band set up directly in front of the altar, men in grubby shorts and t-shirts blaring hideously ear-splitting racket that was a cross between a mariachi band and the Grateful Dead while deafened parishioners cringed in their pews) receive unquestioned support from the same liberal hierarchy which holds all traditional Catholics (including the SSPX) in clear contempt.
Would a conscientious parent expose children of tender years to the institutionalized resentments and rebellion of the SSPXers? What was that portion of the Act of Contrition about avoiding the near occasion of sin? Maybe if the SSPX priests accepted being gagged and muzzled and prevented from preaching, it might be different.
What will happen as the current SSPX bishops die off? Will the "emergency" continue to justify the consecration of replacements without jurisdiction to satisfy Marcel's theft of the ecclesiastical goods of consecration without obedience and without papal permission? Are we in for another "Old Catholic" ongoing schism that seems to be its own excuse?
Saint John Paul II seemed to have no problem, along with Cardinal Gantin (neither one any kind of liberal) declaring the illicitly consecrated Econe bishops of SSPX to have committed an act of schism and to excommunicate the lot of them. Unfortunately, the excommunications were lifted by Benedict XVI and for his efforts at "reconciliation," Benedict was spat upon by Fellay and company in their never-ending contempt for actual Church authority. Benedict would simply not submit to Fellay's "authority." Talk about putting the cart before the horse!
Do the SSPX priests obey Fellay or the Vatican? In obeying Fellay, are they not ratifying the schismatic act of Lefebvre, de Castro Meyer, Williamson, de Mallerais Fellay and Gallerata? Establish mandatory loyalty oaths for all priests and watch the bad and rotted fruit fall from the tree. And not just SSPX either. Turn then to those in the pews. Rinse and repeat as necessary.
Give any SSPXer a doctrinal exam and a few pointed questions about the authority of Saint John Paul II as Supreme Pontiff and it will be readily apparent that excommunication is not arbitrary. Those who exercise their "catholic" faith by expressing their naked contempt for papal authority are not "traditional" except in the worst "tradition" of notorious heretics since time immemorial who, if they continue to CLAIM to be Catholic, deserve a lot harsher treatment than excommunication.
Well, that’s eleven wasted seconds I am not likely to get back.
I get the point since about #28. That was nearly 100 posts ago. Bishop Schneider is not a household name in my household, nor anyone else in the Kyrzykhstan hierarchy. I have enough trying to keep American bishops accurately classified. Mea culpa, etc.
Make that Kazakhstan! If I can’t spell it, why am I expected to know about its auxiliary bishop? My wife is the former editor of Latin Mass magazine. I just asked her and she has never heard of Bishop Schneider either. The children have vacated the nest and the pussy cats express no opinion. We may be exceptionally ignorant of the man but that’s my story and I am sticking to it!
LOL
I’m sincerely surprised by the fact that a Traditionalist like yourself (you are a Trad, correct?) had never heard of Bishop Schneider until this moment. Any Catholic who questions Vatican II (and it seems that you do) tends to know this particular bishop has strong reservations about it as well. They also tend to respond to him in a positive manner.
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