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A Tale of Two Churches
Catholic New World ^ | 9/7/14 | Francis Cardinal George

Posted on 09/08/2014 6:58:49 AM PDT by marshmallow

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To: sasportas
You folks have no idea what all this tripe Papists post looks like to a Protestant.

this "tripe" was the truth for 1,600 years before there was a protestant...and still is....the truth NEVER changes

21 posted on 09/08/2014 8:28:48 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: sasportas

“If you desire true and eternal life, keep your tongue free from vicious talk and your lips from all deceit; turn away from evil and do good; let peace be your quest and aim.” - St. Benedict


22 posted on 09/08/2014 8:51:17 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Hieronymus
There is a Baptist.

Yes, but there are no Southern Baptists, and there are no American Baptists.

23 posted on 09/08/2014 9:05:47 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: discipler

Yeah it is right before the scripture for the “sinners prayer” and store front churches with pastors in polyester suits.


24 posted on 09/09/2014 2:43:13 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: Heart-Rest

But Our Lord was a Southern Baptist—

He himself said “the South will rise again” (Matthew 12:42—though you need the right translation to get this exact phrasing).


25 posted on 09/09/2014 2:44:34 AM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: sasportas
Reading these Papist threads on the RF

Who forces you to read them?

26 posted on 09/09/2014 2:45:29 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: sasportas

I have often compared their behavior to the modern libs.

Disagree and we are called haters.

Of course modern libs are similar to Marxists.


27 posted on 09/09/2014 4:05:08 AM PDT by Gamecock (Not responsible for errors resulting from posting via my "smart" phone.)
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To: marshmallow
Very good article.

the church, in some recognizable shape or form that is both Catholic and Apostolic, will be there to meet him. There is no such divine guarantee for any country, culture or society of this or any age.

In fact, for the society the Left is busy building the guarantee is the opposite:

Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God. (1 Cor. 6:9-10)

28 posted on 09/09/2014 6:52:45 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Gamecock
Who is acting like libs here? The person you are responding to commented that saying the Catholic Church goes all the back (as indeed it does) is some kind of tangential attack on Protestants. He appears to divine from the article some obtuse attack that doesn't materially exist and it hurts his feeeeeelings. I wonder if it constitutes "hate speech".

Catholic doctrine doesn't exist to pander and pussyfoot around Protestants' feeeelings. Christ established the Catholic Church and Its been here ever since. I'm sorry if that bothers you, but, well...Lump it.

29 posted on 09/09/2014 7:09:44 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: sasportas; livius
The lead article has the Papacy a continuity going back to the original church of the New Testament, thus, in effect attacking, not just the Church of England, but by extension every Protestant.

We both disagree about that. That disagreement is symmetrical, so on that alone neither side has a right to complain about being "attacked". However, Catholic beliefs about the nature of the Church and the Papacy have existed since the time of Christ, -- like them or not. The Protestant ecclesiological fantasies were invented by Luther and the rest of your fellow charlatans around 1500 AD. That part is not symmetrical. Protestantism only exists in order to attack the Catholic doctrine and is useless outside of that silly endeavor.

30 posted on 09/09/2014 7:19:48 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Bothers me not one bit. Just an observation. My family has suffered worse persecution at the hands of Papist tormentors than the current wave of garbage seen on FR. Like I said, bothers me not, but the Froman Catholics seen to enjoy playing the victim card on every other post.


31 posted on 09/09/2014 7:33:52 AM PDT by Gamecock (Not responsible for errors resulting from posting via my "smart" phone.)
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To: Gamecock

That Catholics sometime complain too much about theological disagreements bothers me as well, and I am Catholic. But you do understand that the article is not about Protestants being anti-Catholic — that is their right, — but about the secular left-wing state being anti-Catholic and by extension anti-Christian in general, and not hesitating to use the force of the state to oppress us?


32 posted on 09/09/2014 7:55:55 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Gamecock
"My family has suffered worse persecution at the hands of Papist tormentors than the current wave of garbage seen on FR. Like I said, bothers me not, but the Froman Catholics seen to enjoy playing the victim card on every other post."

Your reparation check is in the mail. Who is playing the victim card, again?

33 posted on 09/09/2014 8:45:44 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Not I. Reread what I said. Slowly this time.


34 posted on 09/09/2014 9:27:57 AM PDT by Gamecock (Not responsible for errors resulting from posting via my "smart" phone.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
To Wyrd and the rest of you Papists bashing me for what I posted. What Wyrd says here...

Christ established the Catholic Church and Its been here ever since.

pretty well sums up the difference between you all and me. Christ did indeed establish the Catholic Church and it has been here ever since, but you folks err in saying it is the ROMAN Catholic Church. He did not establish this paganized and totalitarian ecclesiastical thing you folks are so enamored with.

The Catholic church, meaning universal, that Christ established has been here ever since existing in his true believers, not in the Roman imposter system.

35 posted on 09/09/2014 2:43:19 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas
I'm terribly sorry all us "papists" "bashing" you has hurt your delicate feelings. Now...

Show me one official Church document that says ROMAN Catholic Church. The modifer "Roman" is simply because the chief administrative center happens to be in Rome. I doubt it will always be there, and in the event that it is moved, the modifer "Roman" will die out. You appear to be focusing on a very minor peripheral and making a mountain out of it.

36 posted on 09/09/2014 3:55:50 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: Gamecock

I read what you said. My previous comment stands for itself.


37 posted on 09/09/2014 3:56:29 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Nope, you folks are Roman in every way and will always be so. I quote from a Protestant historian: (I bolded part of it, as it emphasizes my point about being Roman)

Christ had designed to conquer by purely spiritual and moral means. Conversion was voluntary, a genuine change in heart and life.

But now the military spirit of imperial Rome had entered the church. The church had conquered the Roman empire. But in reality the Roman empire had conquered the church, by making the church over into the image of the Roman empire.

The church had changed its nature, had become a political organization in the spirit and pattern of imperial Rome.

The imperial church of the 4th and 5th centuries had became an entirely different institution from the church of the first three centuries. In its ambition to rule it lost the Spirit of Christ.

Worship, at first very simple, was developed into elaborate, stately, imposing ceremonies having all the outward splendor that belonged to Rome.

The church became an amalgamation of pagan philosophies. The church lost sight of its true mission.

38 posted on 09/09/2014 5:46:49 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas
"But now the military spirit of imperial Rome had entered the church. The church had conquered the Roman empire. But in reality the Roman empire had conquered the church, by making the church over into the image of the Roman empire."

No, Rome fell but the Church remained. It didn't conquer Rome -- in Christ, we are far more than conquerers (Romans 8). As an aside on the "martial spirit of imperial Rome", one of the reasons Rome fell was because imperial Rome lost the martial spirit of the Republic. The spirit of Virtus was lost, the Equestrian class ceded their role to the NCO class of the legions and so forth, I won't trouble you with the technical details but you get the drift.

"The church had changed its nature, had become a political organization in the spirit and pattern of imperial Rome."

The Bible outlines that Churches should have organization. When you have a worldwide Church, you have worldwide organization. Nothing sinister here.

"The imperial church of the 4th and 5th centuries had became an entirely different institution from the church of the first three centuries. In its ambition to rule it lost the Spirit of Christ."

Says you, or whoever wrote this tripe.

"Worship, at first very simple, was developed into elaborate, stately, imposing ceremonies having all the outward splendor that belonged to Rome."

No splendor belongs to Rome, or the Pope, or America. All splendor belongs to God alone.

"The church became an amalgamation of pagan philosophies. The church lost sight of its true mission."

No it didn't and no it didn't -- the author says yop yop yop, the only response required is nop nop nop.

39 posted on 09/09/2014 6:32:06 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

From inside your Roman fish bowl, it’s tripe. For us outside the fish bowl, it’s quite obvious. I take my leave now. Have a good day.


40 posted on 09/09/2014 7:25:59 PM PDT by sasportas
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