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To: roamer_1; Alamo-Girl; metmom; mdmathis6
The Holy Spirit can and does refer to something that was True even from a non-canonical source, (Jude 1:14,15) even if not listed and even if from a pagan source. (Acts 17:28)

And He can and does also recast words which He inspired previously, as well as expand or contract words of Christ Himself. If you examine the duplicate accounts of the trial of Christ in the synoptics it seems rather obvious that all the words attributed to the speakers were not all spoken as such, or necessarily in the order given, but the Spirit expanded them to provide fuller revelation of the Truth of them, or contracted them in consideration of the audience.



(Matthew 26:60-66)

(Mark 14:57-64)

(Luke 22:66-71)

At the last came two false witnesses, And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.

And the high priest arose, and said unto him, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee?

But Jesus held his peace.

And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy. What think ye? They answered and said, He is guilty of death.

And there arose certain, and bare false witness against him, saying, We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

But neither so did their witness agree together.

And the high priest stood up in the midst, and asked Jesus, saying, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee?

But he held his peace, and answered nothing.

Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?

And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses? Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye?

And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.













And as soon as it was day, the elders of the people and the chief priests and the scribes came together, and led him into their council, saying,

Art thou the Christ? tell us.

And he said unto them, If I tell you, ye will not believe: And if I also ask you, ye will not answer me, nor let me go.

Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

And they said, What need we any further witness? for we ourselves have heard of his own mouth.

There are more, and sometimes it can be postulated that the sayings were duplicate, but in others it seems clear that the words were not always recorded exactly verbatim, yet as the words were by the Holy Spirit in the first place, then God has the freedom to expand upon them.

But which is in contrast to a church presuming to be able to decree it is speaking with the same authority as the same level as wholly inspired Scripture, even channeling doctrine out of amorphous oral tradition, which is not wholly inspired of God, nor are the words of the presumed infallible magisterium.

138 posted on 09/18/2014 7:52:17 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212; metmom

Differing witnesses to the same Biblical events are going to cite events according to slants of personality and temperament...weighting some words differently or remembering other things others don’t. That they endeavored to write these things down as faithfully as they could remember them was a work between each witness and the Holy Spirit.

You cite Jude which cites a passage from the book of Enoch. Jude was put into canon which in turn puts Enoch or at least parts of it into play as being inspired by the Holy Spirit. A read of Enoch is fascinating because if there is any truth at all in that book then the whole history of the times of Noah need to be re-examined in light of that book as well as the apparent power of fallen angels to change their forms and to literally physically interact with females. I think the meaning of Enoch as well as other things revealed to John and Daniel remain sealed to our knowledge until God says it’s time for us to know them.

The books we have of Enoch seem incomplete as though they were scattered bits and pieces put together from a lost source. There may be yet a lost complete book of Enoch that God isn’t ready for us to have yet. The writer of the letter of Jude was certainly aware of Enoch as would the councils had been aware that put our present canon together.

As for the Holy Spirit....the only thought and sense I get is....”Just wait...when the truth is fully revealed everyone will be totally shocked and amazed at just what has been going on. A human being’s framing imagination would pale at the full reality of Heaven and the person of Jesus Christ and his or her mind will have no reference points to even handle the truth when it is fully revealed”!

In short, prepare to be totally “blown away!”


158 posted on 09/18/2014 11:41:04 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: daniel1212

Thank you so much for your insights, dear brother in Christ!


322 posted on 09/18/2014 7:50:12 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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