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The Devil: Is He for Real? Why Does God Let Him Hang Around?
SpiritualDirection ^ | September 22, 2014 | FR. BARTUNEK

Posted on 09/28/2014 2:49:18 PM PDT by NYer

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To: BipolarBob

God created him with full foreknowledge of exactly what would happen.


21 posted on 09/28/2014 4:20:12 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: Salvation

Morning Star could also be a title.


22 posted on 09/28/2014 4:20:56 PM PDT by BipolarBob (You can't fix stupid but you can vote them out.)
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To: Salvation

Lucifer.


23 posted on 09/28/2014 4:21:01 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: Dead Corpse

Possibly. If you have a problem with that take it up with Him.


24 posted on 09/28/2014 4:22:10 PM PDT by BipolarBob (You can't fix stupid but you can vote them out.)
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To: BipolarBob

I don’t. I just think it’s disturbing how people tie themselves in knots over something Jehovah decided to do...


25 posted on 09/28/2014 4:23:43 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: Dead Corpse

Knowing how it all ends kind of takes the fun out of it.


26 posted on 09/28/2014 4:23:55 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (He sounds good.Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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To: BipolarBob; Dead Corpse

II Peter 1:20; Revelation 2:29 Morning Star


27 posted on 09/28/2014 4:23:57 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Dead Corpse

I’m not tied up in knots over it. I’m rather okay with it. It would have been better for me if Adam hadn’t transgressed but I can’t do anything about that either.


28 posted on 09/28/2014 4:25:52 PM PDT by BipolarBob (You can't fix stupid but you can vote them out.)
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To: Salvation

Isaiah 14:12


29 posted on 09/28/2014 4:25:52 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: Salvation; Dead Corpse

Lucifer - meaning “Light Bearer” probably had the highest position excepting Christ. Obviously he gave this position up with his defection. There have been conjectures on what his duties would have been but for to what avail is this speculation?


30 posted on 09/28/2014 4:34:43 PM PDT by BipolarBob (You can't fix stupid but you can vote them out.)
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To: Salvation; Dead Corpse
You’ve got a mistake in your thinking there. God created all the angels.

God is omniscient; Along with the obedient angels, He created Satan and his minions, knowing they would rebel against Him.

I think you are the one who is mistaken in their "thinking" that God didn't know what would happen.

31 posted on 09/28/2014 4:34:48 PM PDT by ebb tide
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32 posted on 09/28/2014 4:35:43 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: ebb tide; Salvation; Dead Corpse
"I think you are the one who is mistaken in their "thinking" that God didn't know what would happen."

To quote St. Hillary "At this point , what difference does it make"?

33 posted on 09/28/2014 4:38:35 PM PDT by BipolarBob (You can't fix stupid but you can vote them out.)
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To: Dead Corpse

[ Satan is doing what God created him to do. ]

Acting as a magnet for the chaff....?


34 posted on 09/28/2014 4:44:47 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: BipolarBob

The Lucifer heresy. That Lucifer knows that what he is doing is God’s bidding, and is doing it because of his love for Jehovah as his First angel.

Not really supported by canonnized scripture. Hinted at in some of the books the Nicene council decided not to include.


35 posted on 09/28/2014 4:44:51 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: BipolarBob

It is what it is and it really doesn’t change our role in the events of the day.


36 posted on 09/28/2014 4:46:08 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: NYer
Yes!

Read the Book of Revelations to answer your second question.

37 posted on 09/28/2014 4:46:58 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: GraceG

Pretty much...


38 posted on 09/28/2014 4:47:32 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: Dick Vomer
Once we surrender to the Lordship of messiah Jesus, we obtain the same power in us that raised Jesus from the dead.

satan is a created being. The Holy spirit lives within us, we have the power to call out satan and his minions.

Once you realize that God is NOT mad at us and by receiving the free gift of grace, we defeat any power satan has over our lives.

God knows we are sinners...it is our nature. You don't have to teach a child to steal or lie, you have to teach a child not to steal or lie. This is the reason Jesus came.

All of God's fury, wrath, punishment, separation was poured out on the spotless lamb of God...Jesus. It is finished!

We do not have to EARN our way to heaven. As we receive his grace, promises, wisdom, we begin to transform our lives because of our love for a faithful and loving God.

Praise to the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ the righteous.

39 posted on 09/28/2014 4:47:48 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Dick Vomer

I have met satan, but I have also met Jesus and Michael. I chose the winning side and satan could not harm me. I do not care to meet him again. But if I do, that’s ok as my strength is in my weakness or emptiness that allows the Holy Spirit to work through me.

I used to do a lot of exorcism work. Most dark spirits are merely misguided people who died and carried so much fear, anger, hatred, or jealousy that they could not go to Heaven.

satan and his minions recruit these spirits and manipulate them with fear. The great lie he uses to manipulate them is that the Light will kill them and they must avoid it at all cost or they will die. These earthbound dark spirits attach to people without them knowing it and influence them for the attached spirits benefit of the human experience. They drive people to become drug addicts, alcoholics, sex addicts.... you name it as it relates to the pleasures of the flesh.

Since there is a hierarchy in the dark realm just as there is in the Angels of the Light, I would call in the dark spirits superior or commander and proceed to redeem it with Love & Light. After working my way up the ranks to the top commanders and redeeming them, I would have them call out to all the dark spirits under their command. One night when doing this there were thousands of balls of light, each one with a dark spirit in it, all connected like a DNA strand of beads spiraling upward.

Suddenly the room got freezing cold like a blast freezer. That’s what it is like when you are around a powerful demon as they suck energy from you. satan had come to confront me himself. I turned to Michael and said, “There he is, you can get him.” To which Michael replied, “It’s not time yet.”

At that moment I realized that: 1. God is in control. 2. Everything is unfolding according to God’s planned timetable, 3. God is using satan for a purpose.

God is using satan to get rid of the old to make room for the new. It’s the reason you can’t put new wine in an old wine-skin or patch an old garment with new cloth. When we are full of ourselves we have no room for God.

God is using satan to plow the soil to remove the old growth so there is room for the new seeds to sprout and grow.

After that night, I no longer had a need to declare war on satan as I know God is in control. I still deal with his minions when I encounter them, but do not go looking for them.

Recently I was working with a thirty year old schizophrenic man who was dealing with a dark spirit that was tormenting him and taking control of him by destabilizing his negative emotions. Each time they guy would come to me, the spirit would leave and then return as soon as the schizophrenic man left my presence. The second visit I figured out what the wound was in his soul that caused him the fear that was blocking him from the experience of Love. I have never met anyone with so much horizontal energy. The foundation of his soul was like Swiss cheese, it had so many holes in it. The man was psychic beyond belief as I could think of him and work on him from many miles away and he would feel it and call me. He did this many times.

The wound in his soul was caused by his parents getting divorced when he was two years old and he blamed himself for the fighting between his parents and the emotional pain of all involved.

Since the two year old blamed himself, he thought he deserved to be punished to remove his guilt. Thus he reversed his emotional subconscious reward/punishment system to where he was positively stimulated by criticism and negatively stimulated by praise. (I find this same pattern in every person with cancer, MS, ALS and all auto-immune disorders. ) It appears that the allosteric enzymes in the liver work to inhibit the immune system as a subconscious punishment as I always feel a hot burning sensation in the bottom of the liver in these folks and it goes away when the wound is healed.

Bottom line is, yes satan is real, but so is Jesus and God. You make the choice which team you are on. Even if you pick the losers, eventually you will realize your mistake and like the tax collectors and prostitutes you can be redeemed.


40 posted on 09/28/2014 4:50:10 PM PDT by tired&retired
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