Posted on 10/30/2014 9:46:31 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
How ever a man saying he has faith does not mean he has any faith.
That is why James said,
James 2
18
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
No contradiction there, just an explanation that words do not prove anything.
John 2:11)
11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.
His disciples already believed in him as they were following him, I would call this a clincher.
LoL...
So true...
And just what was off topic from Mary, "be Catholic," defining that as being The Church, thus only her people are saints, and asserting "the Church is thy salvation"? What if Mormonism posted a lke article? Or are you blind to or dismissive of the elitist RC arrogance implicit here?
-and how many potential conversions they helped quench.
Would you like a list of the venom from RCs against Prots? RCs here often provide arguments against being RC, and are cited at least as much by the Rm for violations. A conversion from Rome is usually necessary for salvation.
Overall true, yet with exceptions as,
Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. (Matthew 15:12-14)
A very bad condition and warning. May we who have been planted by God cleave to the Lord with purpose of heart, and warn the lost of their error and end.
Of course: they hate competition, but i also would contend against such as cultic, which shoe fits Rome.
And then he did EXACTLY what his mother told him to do.
Actually the Greek does not allow the “leave them alone”. It says “leave them” as in to not keep them as friends or associates. I would actually say it’s more like “don’t treat them as equals”. I get the impression that the apostles still regarded the Pharisees and teachers of the law as leadership. Jesus was saying “leave them” as in you should no longer listen to what they teach.
Yep
Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge. (Proverbs 14:7)
“Actually, if not for evangelical types posting then these Catholic threads hardly ever get more than a dozen or so replies”
But they would be made by Catholics on a Catholic topic. Not made by clueless protestants that have no business at all replying to a Catholic thread. But like I said before lets discuss something in the thread we all agree on? Why the incessant rambling on about Mary when she was mentioned in one paragraph. Why does mention of Mary set some protestants off like a laser beam? More Christians worldwide venerate Mary than do not. So give it a break. Your exhalted hero Luther certainly held her in high regard. Follow all of Luther’s teachings except his devotion to Mary? What a joke.
I can see different people making different calls on what counts as "on-topic." For me, the single main factor here is that the discussion became what I consider increasingly divergent from the original source.
What if Mormonism posted a lke article?
I'd say something similar concerning discussion on this forum. (For one thing, the Religion Moderator profile uses Mormon-based examples that are parallel to Protestant-based and Catholic-based examples.)
As this thread wound up being an "open" thread, I can definitely see discussion of differences in belief, but the overall direction in this thread has been what I consider increasingly tangential and fragmented.
Would you like a list of the venom from RCs against Prots? RCs here often provide arguments against being RC, and are cited at least as much by the Rm for violations.
I've done some reading around. Yes, people claiming to have different religious beliefs and affiliations have posted problematic content around here. Accordingly, I didn't even think about accusing only one group of being "bad" or "good."
(Maybe I'm just cynical, but probably the only groups that haven't had members do so on this forum are the groups that aren't well-represented on this forum.)
I'd written, and you referenced,
"-and how many potential conversions they helped quench."
My original reference to "conversions," in any case, was meant to be a bit generic and isn't meant to apply to any particular specific belief. In other words, I was wondering if anyone has ever been convinced (in what I'll call a "positive" direction) by the sorts of discussion that have led to the Religion Moderator's profile being long and full of guidelines. I don't often hear "we're screaming at each other, but maybe you're right."
As the Religion Moderator says, convincing in what I'll call a "negative" direction is easier ("we're screaming at each other, so you're definitely wrong"). Of course, whether an argument is true or false does not often depend on how "nice" the speaker is, but no matter what affiliation one has, one's tone risks undermining one's arguments.
It is the Holy Spirit within that generates the change and is not the impetus of the man. If it were the man would be able to take credit.
On the opposite side of the isle a man is boasting that he can do anything he wants and still be saved, so I like to stay away from that.
I have never seen that. Do you have an example of someone making that claim?
Catholicism and Catholics have no business telling Protestants and other non Catholic Christians that they must be a part of the Catholic denomination to be saved.
Therefore we will post on threads like this until they accept OTC's just as Christian as anyone else.
Perhaps pope innocent 3 (irony there) can walk back this one:
"There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which no one at all can be saved." (At the Fourth Lateran Council...for reference)That is actually true, only it isn't the Catholic church.
The church that believers in Jesus belong to is one that is comprised of every born again Christian who has the personal relationship with Jesus. As he promised.
I have never seen that. Do you have an example of someone making that claim?
Isn't that typical. I would suggest you have never heard that stated other than as an accusation by someone.
There you go again, thinking you can call protestants clueless - when it is RCs like yourself who make absurd claims or conclusions - and that they have no business at all replying to a OPEN Catholic thread.
Sorry for you, but these are not the days of the carnal Inquisitions - which it seems some RCs miss - and it is you who have no business telling FReepers who can post on open thread. . Do you think you own FR? This is just one more example of RC arrogance. Like father, like son <
Why the incessant rambling on about Mary when she was mentioned in one paragraph.
For my part, she alone was set forth as the human example to follow, and you evidently could not even stand the fact that i affirmed she was an example to follow, but that Paul got more press, and thus you translated this into contempt for Mary!
Thus the question is why RCs cannot stand to see Mary honored in accordance with what is written, but must exalt the Mary of Catholicism as a demigoddess, far above that which is written! (cf. 1Co. 4:60
Your exhalted hero Luther certainly held her in high regard. Follow all of Luther’s teachings except his devotion to Mary? What a joke.
Which further testifies to both RC inability to comprehend how we cannot follow a man like a pope, and to RC ignorance, imagining that affirming some beliefs of someone or something means one must concur with all their beliefs, which is indeed illogical a joke.
Meanwhile the RC rambling about Luther seems to come from parroted postings, while Martin Luther's Mariology will provide extensive documented research on such.
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