Posted on 10/30/2014 9:46:31 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
"Do whatever he tells you."
Perhaps you didn't notice but the focus is on Jesus, not Mary...And regardles of whether this was a command for everyone for all time or just those people she was talking to, it may surprise you that the rest of the New Testament also tells us to do what Jesus tells us to do...So if we missed it from Mary, we certainly got it from all through out the rest of the scriptures from various people...
‘Do whatever he tells you’
John 2
3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
He was grieved by his mother.
In other words as far as Mary was concerned Jesus was no more than her personal magician which she was blessed by God with, she did not understand who Jesus really was.
Why do you suppose this passage is in the Gospel in the first place? (see Jn 20:31) Why do you suppose it goes on to say, "and his disciples began to believe in him" (Jn 2:11) as a result of this miracle?
The Greek text does not at all bear the interpretation that Jesus was "grieved" by his mother. The Greek says "Woman, what is this to me and to you?" It's a Semitic expression that basically means, "Why are you involving me in this?" It's not a rebuke.
Can you repeat after me the website. The Catholic Gentleman? Now can you find something in the article that we agree on? Surely there must be something. I know a few on here blasting the article that would never utter a word of agreement from anything from a Catholic, but why don’t you show you above the hatred. Now what is in the article that you agree on?
It certainly is a rebuke.
They were guests are the wedding. It was not their place to do something about the situation.
Matthew 5:27-30 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.
Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
Do Catholics do that?
“Why are you involving me in this?” It’s not a rebuke.
4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
That is not a big deal and I am not trying to make Mary any less than what she was, I just do not see how it makes Mary an authority.
According to scripture Jesus is the only begotten son of God.
John 14
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Jesus is the only authority, why bother to preserve scripture which came from the son of God if we can add to it? even if what we are adding seems to be true or actually is true.
I may agree with much of what some one says but if it is not plain from scripture you have an argument.
Which article are we supposed to be agreeing on? The lead one above post #1, or the one from a hate-mongering website and found in your post #50?
The Jesus-is-Savior.com website is not welcome in the Religion Forum at Free Republic.
Please review the RF rules closely found at the Religion Moderator profile page.
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Do only non-Catholics have to obey the rules?
Do you use a Bible or just depend on your memory?
A “Biblical” quote should reference the book, chapter and verse.
It’s insisted on for “prots” but Catholics get a pass?
It most certainly was. Jesus said "what does this have to do with me or with you"? He then went on to say that His time had not come yet indicating she had clearly overstepped the bounds.
Like the book of Genesis, the book of Luke is allegorical...
There, fixed it for you. NOWHERE in the Greek is the word "began" included. His desciples had already left their livelihoods to follow Him. If words have to be added to scripture to support a belief it's not scripture.
You mean day after day week after week we see RCs using FR as a information and advertising or apologetic organ for an elitist one true church, and we are to remain silent? What if the Mormons did the like? In addition this article promotes the papacy and priests and being Catholic and that "the Church is thy salvation.
'No sir, for instead we should obey God rather than man 9though we may come short sometimes) , and earnestly contend for the faith once delivered to the saints, (Jude. 1:3) as revealed in Scripture.
Mary is mentioned in one paragraph.
But the Mary of Catholicism is not that of Scripture, and the cultic devotion to her results in such knee-jerk reactions as making an affirmation of her as being a example to follow into contempt, since it was also stated that Paul is given more press as an example! And you think i am the one that should keep silent?
So do me and fellow Catholics a favor. Quit trying to hijack this thread. Is that so much to ask?
So do me and fellow believers and many FReepers (and often yourself) favor. Quit hijacking FR as a RC news and promotion service (though you have a right to do so) or expect to see the promotion of your elitist church challenged and exposed. Is that so much to ask?
Actually, if not for evangelical types posting then these Catholic threads hardly ever get more than a dozen or so replies. Meanwhile, one of or the last thread you posted had over 3500 replies, which would not be so if some RCs did not engage in responses, but if they are silenced or give up then blame them, not us. The overall reality has been that the more RCs post, then the more fallacies of Rome have been exposed, by God's grace. Bless Him.
You mean like the Catholic leave the *Prot* threads alone, even when they are posted as caucus?
And if Prots used it to promote their own churches as the OTC, we wouldn't see Catholic challenging it?
sure.......
Not once in all of scripture are we told to keep silent when error is preached. In fact, just the opposite is true.
Well, I especially noticed this part.
4. Be a Saint: Sanctity wins more souls than argumentation.
I wonder how many conversions the thousands upon thousands of off-topic, disputatious posts in the Religion Forum have helped--and how many potential conversions they helped quench.
I had that thought before I went to the Religion Moderator profile page and read it more comprehensively than I ever have before:
"The demeanor of the poster says more about his own confession than the post says about yours. When he is being rude or mean it drives people away from his confession and towards yours. That is of course if you can resist the urge to meet fire with fire, in which case neither confession is appealing to the lurkers. The poster who 'turns the other cheek' wins every single time."
Obviously this paragraph does not at all discourage speaking the truth, or at least what you believe the truth is. But not every attempt at "truth telling" is equally successful, let alone equally holy. If you have apples of gold, put them in pictures of silver.
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