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To: Safrguns
Let me try to get through to you one more time:

You appear to believe that it is impossible to keep Torah, is that so?

If so, then you are in conflict with the word of God.

1John 5:

[1] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
[2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
[3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Get it?

His commandments are not so tough.

Nobody here has said that we are saved by keeping his commandments; we have old sins that have to be forgiven to be saved, but he who keeps on sinning (transgressing Torah) after learning Yeshua's Way will not be saved.

Hebrews 6 is no joke, nor is Matthew 7:23, nor Romans 2.

OSAS is an answer to a question that Yeshua never asked.

151 posted on 11/18/2014 4:41:15 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
>>> You appear to believe that it is impossible to keep Torah, is that so?

It is possible to keep the Torah, but not to perfection... which IS the standard for holiness.

Recall the rich man who approached Jesus and asked what he needed to do to gain eternal life:

Mat 19:16
And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

You see, the rich man THOUGHT he was perfect.
Jesus showed him that he actually was not.
The rich man was unwilling to part with his possessions.
The rich man was relying upon his own righteousness.
Keep reading in that same passage... you will see that
salvation is a gift of God that cannot be earned with deeds or righteousness.

>>> Nobody here has said that we are saved by keeping his commandments; we have old sins that have to be forgiven to be saved, but he who keeps on sinning (transgressing Torah) after learning Yeshua's Way will not be saved. Hebrews 6 is no joke, nor is Matthew 7:23, nor Romans 2.

Actually, you did say it. You said that those who are righteous get the pass. However, in reference to past versus future sins, it does not make sense that Christs sacrifice on the cross would apply to only those sins committed up to the time of conversion, because the believer would then be held to a higher standard than the unbeliever... without the benefit of incorruptibility which we don't receive until the death of our corrupted body. In as far as consequences go which you referenced in Hebrews 6, etc., "death" in scripture does not always refer to eternal damnation. It often refers to physical destruction of the body. If I continue in sin, even after God warns me to stop, He most certainly will end my time on earth even though my place in heaven is secure.
153 posted on 11/18/2014 5:26:16 PM PST by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Nobody here has said that we are saved by keeping his commandments;

I do so wish you'd make up your mind!

We aren't SAVED by keeping commandments, but we are LOST by NOT keeping them?!?!?

161 posted on 11/18/2014 6:02:33 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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