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Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?
Crisis Magazine ^ | November 24, 2014 | DENNIS BONNETTE

Posted on 11/24/2014 1:07:14 PM PST by NYer

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Pure myth! That is today’s typical view of a literal Adam and Eve. Yet, contrary to current skepticism, a real Adam and Eve remain credible—both in terms of Catholic doctrine and sound natural science.

By calling the Genesis story a “myth,” people avoid saying it is mere “fantasy,” that is, with no foundation in reality at all. While rejecting a literal first pair of human parents for all mankind, they hope to retain some “deeper” truth about an original “sinful human condition,” a “mythic” meaning. They think that the latest findings in paleoanthropology and genetics render a literal pair of first true human parents to be “scientifically impossible.”

The prevailing assumption underlying media reports about human origins is that humanity evolved very gradually over vast periods of time as a population (a collection of interbreeding organisms), which itself originally evolved from a Homo/Pan (human/chimpanzee) common ancestor millions of years ago. Therefore, we are not seen as descendants of the biblical Adam and Eve.

This universal evolutionary perspective leads many Catholics and others to conclude that a literal Adam and Eve is “scientifically impossible” for two reasons: First, paleoanthropologists deny the sudden appearance of intelligent, self-reflective, fully-human primates, but rather view the emergence of consciousness and intelligence as taking place slowly and incrementally over long periods of time. Second, in light of recent findings in molecular biology, especially from studies based on genetic data gleaned from the Human Genome Project, it is claimed that the hominin population (the primate group from which modern man is said to have arisen) has never had a bottleneck (reduced population) of a single mating pair in the last seven or more million years: no literal Adam and Eve. Many succumb to the modernist tendency to “adjust” Church teaching to fit the latest scientific claims—thus intimidating Catholics into thinking that divinely revealed truths can be abandoned—“if need be.”

This skepticism of a literal Adam and Eve begs for four much needed corrections.

First, Church teaching about Adam and Eve has not, and cannot, change. The fact remains that a literal Adam and Eve are unchanging Catholic doctrine. Central to St. Paul’s teaching is the fact that one man, Adam, committed original sin and that through the God-man, Jesus Christ, redemption was accomplished (Romans 5:12-21; 1 Cor. 15: 21-22). In paragraphs 396-406, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, speaks of Adam and Eve as a single mating pair who “committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state” (CCC, 404). “Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases original sin and turns a man back toward God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle” (CCC, 405). The doctrines surrounding original sin cannot be altered “without undermining the mystery of Christ” (CCC, 389).

Today, many think that Pope Pius XII’s encyclical Humani generis did not definitively exclude theological polygenism. What they fail to notice, though, is that the Holy Father clearly insists that Scripture and the Magisterium affirm that original sin “proceeds from a sin truly committed by one Adam [ab uno Adamo]” and that this sin is transmitted to all true human beings through generation (para. 37). This proves that denial of a literal Adam (and his spouse, Eve) as the sole first genuinely human parents of all true human beings is not theologically tenable.

Second, rational human nature itself requires that mankind made an instant appearance on planet Earth. Paleoanthropological claims of gradual appearance of specifically human traits fail to comport with a true philosophy of human nature. Reflecting classical Christian thought, St. Thomas Aquinas demonstrates that true man is distinguished essentially from lower animals by possession of an intellectual and immortal soul, which possesses spiritual powers of understanding, judgment, and reasoning (Summa theologiae I, 75). While these qualitatively superior abilities are manifested through special forms of tool making or culture or art, they need not always be evident in the paleontological record. Sometimes true men share mere animal survival behavior and sometimes truly human behavior is lost to modern sight due to the ravages of time. What matters is that genuinely spiritual powers are either present or not, and that these alone bespeak the presence of true man. Irrational animals, including subhuman primates, are capable of complex sentient behaviors often approaching or imitating the rational activities of true man. But an animal either possesses a spiritual, intellectual soul or not. Thus at some point in time, true man suddenly appears—whether visible to modern science or not. Before that time, all subhuman behavior manifests merely material sensory abilities. The fact that positivistic scientists cannot discern the first presence of true man is hardly remarkable.

Third, a correct understanding of the scientific (inductive) method reveals that it cannot ever logically exclude the possibility of two sole founders of humanity. Natural scientific studies employ the inductive method of reasoning. Empirically observed data is employed to form testable hypotheses. Molecular biologists use computer models in an attempt to validate such hypotheses and reach conclusions about genetic conditions in early primate populations. In this process, some researchers have committed the logically invalid move of inferring from particular data to the universally negative claim that a literal Adam and Eve is impossible. Such methodology produces, at best, solely probable conclusions, based on available evidence and the assumptions used to evaluate the data. There is the inherent possibility that an unknown factor will alter the conclusion, similarly as was the unexpected discovery of black swans in Australia, when the whole world “knew” all swans were white.

Fourth, specific scientific arguments against Adam and Eve have proven not as forceful as many presently believe (Gauger 2012). For example, some have claimed that effective population size estimates for the last several million years would not permit just two true humans to have lived during that time. Still, the technical concept of average effective population size estimates should not be confused with an actual “bottleneck” (a temporarily reduced population) which may be much smaller. Effective population size estimates can vary from as high as 14,000 (Blum 2011) to as low as 2,000 (Tenesa 2007), depending on the methods used.

Such calculations rely upon many assumptions about mutation rate, recombination rate, and other factors, that are known to vary widely. All of this entails retrospective calculations about events in the far distant past, for which we have no directly verifiable data. For such reasons, some experts have concluded that effective population size cannot be determined using DNA sequence differences alone (Sjödin 2005; Hawks 2008).

Indeed, the most famous genetic study proclaimed as a “scientific objection” to Adam and Eve turned out to be based on methodological errors. An article by geneticist Francisco J. Ayala appearing in the journal, Science (1995), led many to believe that a founding population of only two individuals was impossible. Ayala based his challenge to monogenism (two sole founders of humanity) on the large number of versions (alleles) of the particular gene HLA-DRB1, which are present in the current population. Accepting the common ancestor theory, he claimed that there were thirty-two ancient lineages of the HLA-DRB1 gene prior to the Homo/Pan split (approximately seven million years ago). Over time, these “pre-split” lineages, themselves, evolved into the new additional versions present today. Because each individual carries only two versions of a gene, a single founding pair could not have passed on the thirty-two versions that Ayala claimed existed some seven million years ago—either at that time or at any time since. A bottleneck of just two true humans, Adam and Eve, was “scientifically impossible.”

However, Ayala’s claim of thirty-two ancient HLA-DRB1 lineages (prior to the Homo/Pan split) was wrong because of methodological errors. The number of lineages was subsequently adjusted by Bergström (1998) to just seven at the time of the split, with most of the genetic diversity appearing in the last 250,000 years. A still later study coming out of Bergström’s group inferred that just four such lineages existed more than five million years ago, but that a few more appeared soon thereafter (von Salomé 2007). While two mating hominins can transmit four lineages, the few additional later ones still require explanation.

These genetic studies, based on many assumptions and use of computer models, do not tell us how the origin of the human race actually took place. But, they do show (1) that methodological limitations and radical contingency are inherent in such studies, which are employed to make retroactive judgments about deeply ancient populations that can never be subject to direct observation, and (2) that present scientific claims against the possibility of a literal Adam and Eve are not definitive (Gauger 2012, 105-122).

Philosopher Kenneth W. Kemp and others have suggested that interbreeding between true humans and subhuman primates in the same biological population might account for presently observed genetic diversity (Kemp 2011). Such interbreeding is not to be confused with the marriages between true human siblings and cousins which would have occurred in the first generations following Adam and Eve, which unions were a necessary part of God’s plan for the initial propagation of mankind (Gen. 1:28).

The difficulty with any interbreeding solution (save, perhaps, in rare instances) is that it would place at the human race’s very beginning a severe impediment to its healthy growth and development. Natural law requires that marriage and procreation take place solely between a man and a woman, so that children are given proper role models for adult life. So too, even if the union between a true human and a subhuman primate were not merely transitory, but lasting, the defective parenting and role model of a parent who is not a true human being would introduce serious disorder in the proper functioning of the family and education of children. Hence, widespread interbreeding is not an acceptable solution to the problem of genetic diversity.

Moreover, given the marked reduction in the number of ancient HLA-DRB1 alleles found by the later genetic studies of Bergström and von Salomé, it may turn out that no interbreeding is needed at all, or at most, that very rare instances of it may have occurred. Such rare events might not even entail the consent of true human beings, since they could result from an attack by a subhuman male upon a non-consenting human female.

A literal Adam and Eve remains rationally, scientifically credible.

Since the same God is author both of human reason and of authentic revelation, legitimate natural science, properly conducted, will never contradict Catholic doctrine, properly understood. Catholic doctrine still maintains that a literal Adam and Eve must have existed, a primal couple who committed that personal original sin, which occasioned the need for, and the divine promise of, the coming of the Redeemer, Jesus Christ.

Editor’s note: The image above is a detail from “The Fall of Man” painted by Hendrik Goltzius in 1616.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Religion & Science; Theology
KEYWORDS: adam; adamandeve; creation; crevo; crevolist; eve; evolution; fazalerana; gardenofeden; genesis; hughross; originalparents; origins
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; redleghunter; boatbums

Romans 11 was speaking to conditions at Elijah’s time.

His remnant has varied throughout history.

Eisegis is the method that you appear to employ.

Twisting the scriptures to meet your cult’s needs.

Virgin in this present context means those that love God, and are faithful to their spouse.

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741 posted on 11/29/2014 11:03:50 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
His “principle” is old fashoned “White Supremacy.”

Mr. Murray teaches Anglo-Israelism which believes that Anglo-Saxons are the chosen race, and America and Great Britain are the lost tribes of the children of Israel. Murray claims that the northern ten tribes of Israel are "the same tribes that later went north and populated Europe and North America". (The Shepherd's Chapel newsletter #148, 2-91) According to the theology of Anglo-Israelism, other races are inferior to whites, and usually the blacks and Jewish race are particularly stigmatized. Murray, on the other hand, says that he respects blacks and other races. However, he believes these races were the 'Adam' created on the sixth day of creation in Genesis 1, while the Anglo-Saxons were 'another Adam' created on the eighth day of creation based on his interpretation of Genesis 2. Hence, there is a definite distinction between whites and non-whites. Arnold Murray also promotes the literature of other Anglo-Israelism teachers. The Shepherd's Chapel Book List, for instance, offers materials by E. Raymond Capt and J. H. Allen.

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/arnoldmurray.html

742 posted on 11/29/2014 11:06:24 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: redleghunter
Mr. Murray does not believe in the Christian doctrine of the Trinity...

I stopped right there. That is a false website. Arnold is all over TV, satellite Dish channel 256, and the internet that he hated so much. lol Pull his own words and I'll tell you if I agree or disagree. He's about like Rush to me, I agree with him about 90% of the time. Just because he said something doesn't mean I ate it up, he's no Vicar of Christ to me.

He was the best teacher though, at it's height, they were bringing in 600 new students a day, and Shepherd's Chapel biggest gains were being made in China. That's what you call "publishing the Word! Remembering the parable of the talents, Arnold has many millions talents of gold, I have a few through him and the Word (part of another one just last week!...she told me she was an atheist just a month ago, she's going to church tomorrow), how many do you have with your politically correct watered down doctrine?

743 posted on 11/29/2014 11:07:15 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: editor-surveyor
His “principle” is old fashoned “White Supremacy.”,

Keep digging your own pit.

Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

You live in Charleston, right? What are you editor of? I'm about 10 minutes away from Charleston.

744 posted on 11/29/2014 11:13:34 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: editor-surveyor
Your ‘discernment’ is a gift of the Un-holy Spirit. .

You poor man, everyone here is just so stupid according to your tagline.

745 posted on 11/29/2014 11:14:38 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: redleghunter

Arthur? lol


746 posted on 11/29/2014 11:16:26 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: redleghunter

Another false website. Pull his own words.


747 posted on 11/29/2014 11:20:44 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: redleghunter

>> “Mr. Murray teaches Anglo-Israelism which believes that Anglo-Saxons are the chosen race, and America and Great Britain are the lost tribes of the children of Israel.” <<

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Its easy to take a little piece of the truth, and add a big lie to create a racial cult.

They take Jacob’s deathbed prophecy (Genesis 48) that Manasseh would be “a great nation,” and Ephraim would be greater than he, and father a multitude of nations, and twist it to all of the House of Israel, not just the two tribes of Joseph, and then make them “lost” to explain why history doesn’t support Britain being all of Israel.

This really isn’t a new trick. Everybody wants to be “all of Israel.” By that means they become the replacement for Yehova’s elect. Catholics did it first, then Luther tried to steal the mantle from them. Now we have a multitude of Israel replacements.
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748 posted on 11/29/2014 11:28:09 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

>> “You live in Charleston, right? What are you editor of? I’m about 10 minutes away from Charleston.” <<

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LOL!

I’m about as far from Charleston as you can get and still be in America.

So you live in Ashville!

A Satanist hold-out if ever there was one.


749 posted on 11/29/2014 11:33:04 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; boatbums; editor-surveyor; Greetings_Puny_Humans
What has been will be gain. Judging from this thread, on a site with a lot of Christians, I look to be the only one with the gumption to stand against the political correctness that is killing the teaching of the Word of God. I'm the one that has the false assumers riled up. That tells me I'm doing something right that no one else is doing. I take that as a great sign that I will be one of the 7000 that will not bow to the great deceiver. Maybe I won't be though, we'll see.

A lot of first person, personal assurances there. My kindness is blunt. Murray's chapel teachings are cultic. He claimed to be a prophet and made predictions which did not come to be. He is in the same batch of false predictors as the Millerites, Mormons and Harold Camping.

Ultimately, Mr. Murray subtly pressures his listeners to choose between his "prophetic word", or "the doctrine of the Pharisees" of orthodox Christianity. "But, deep down in your souls when you must make the decision to stand for your Father or the traditions of man, it can separate you from friends and loved ones." (Newsletter #129, 6-89) In defiance of Acts 1:7, Mr. Murray set an end time date by claiming that the Antichrist would appear by 1981. This prediction, of course turned out to be false. "Lucifer was taken to the pit...Know from the 2nd chapter of 2 Thessalonians that he shall soon return. The Book of Daniel very clearly states that it shall happen before the year 1981, if you have any understanding at all of the wisdom of the elect in the last days" (Seed of the Serpent, version taped in 1979) Yet, in spite of his prejudices, false doctrine, and false prophecies, he states, "I am a servant of the living God that carries the end time message, and it's either time to wake up now, or go down with your boat, friend". (The Shepherd's Chapel Questions and Answers period, aired 5-16-91)

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/arnoldmurray.html

750 posted on 11/29/2014 11:34:20 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: editor-surveyor
So you live in Ashville!

Condemning a whole town? Wow.

751 posted on 11/29/2014 11:34:28 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: editor-surveyor
Let's try that again:

So you live in Ashville! A Satanist hold-out if ever there was one.

Condemning a whole town? Wow.

752 posted on 11/29/2014 11:35:38 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: redleghunter
A lot of first person, personal assurances there. My kindness is blunt. Murray's chapel teachings are cultic. He claimed to be a prophet and made predictions which did not come to be. He is in the same batch of false predictors as the Millerites, Mormons and Harold Camping.

Well, I thought it was going to be 2003, so we're not perfect are we?

753 posted on 11/29/2014 11:37:52 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: All

People, PEOPLE! I think the invisible church is losing its focus! You all need to stop fighting among yourselves and get back on the track that got this thread over 700 posts: Anti-Catholicism!

It’s the glue that holds the invisible church together. Don’t let the church die!!

Focus.


754 posted on 11/29/2014 11:41:24 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; boatbums; editor-surveyor

Who was the subject of these passages? A hint is the subject of the discussion starts in chapter 9. It’s Israel. Romans 11:4 describes the historical fact God does not give up on His chosen people Israel. And yet somehow Murray states Israelites are “Kenites.”

Romans 11 King James Version (KJV)

11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.


755 posted on 11/29/2014 11:43:58 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: FourtySeven

But playing “gotcha” is what talking bible it all about with these false assumers. Talking bible is no fun unless one can try their hardest to Pharisee someone quiet. lol


756 posted on 11/29/2014 11:46:22 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: redleghunter
Who was the subject of these passages? A hint is the subject of the discussion starts in chapter 9. It’s Israel. Romans 11:4 describes the historical fact God does not give up on His chosen people Israel. And yet somehow Murray states Israelites are “Kenites.”

Jesus picked up most of his disciples from around the Sea of Galilee. These people that supplied the disciples never left despite Jerusalem being sacked by Rome, depopulated, everything else over almost 2000 years.

757 posted on 11/29/2014 11:50:03 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; boatbums; editor-surveyor; Elsie
This verse says one should do more than just read it.

The entire epistle to Timothy explains what is sound doctrine. Yet neither Timothy nor Titus are ever instructed on the "7000" and managing churches as such. That must have been "secret knowledge" only some can "discern" as is the case with the Eucharist and other traditions of men such have to wrest out of the text to fit their doctrines.

758 posted on 11/29/2014 11:54:01 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: redleghunter
The entire epistle to Timothy explains what is sound doctrine. Yet neither Timothy nor Titus are ever instructed on the "7000" and managing churches as such. That must have been "secret knowledge" only some can "discern" as is the case with the Eucharist and other traditions of men such have to wrest out of the text to fit their doctrines.

What was will be again, wait and see.

759 posted on 11/29/2014 11:57:19 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

Don’t stop keep reading. All claims are cited from videos or tapes from Murray’s work.

Murray believed he was God’s chosen prophet for end times.


760 posted on 11/29/2014 12:00:43 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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