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Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?
Crisis Magazine ^ | November 24, 2014 | DENNIS BONNETTE

Posted on 11/24/2014 1:07:14 PM PST by NYer

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Pure myth! That is today’s typical view of a literal Adam and Eve. Yet, contrary to current skepticism, a real Adam and Eve remain credible—both in terms of Catholic doctrine and sound natural science.

By calling the Genesis story a “myth,” people avoid saying it is mere “fantasy,” that is, with no foundation in reality at all. While rejecting a literal first pair of human parents for all mankind, they hope to retain some “deeper” truth about an original “sinful human condition,” a “mythic” meaning. They think that the latest findings in paleoanthropology and genetics render a literal pair of first true human parents to be “scientifically impossible.”

The prevailing assumption underlying media reports about human origins is that humanity evolved very gradually over vast periods of time as a population (a collection of interbreeding organisms), which itself originally evolved from a Homo/Pan (human/chimpanzee) common ancestor millions of years ago. Therefore, we are not seen as descendants of the biblical Adam and Eve.

This universal evolutionary perspective leads many Catholics and others to conclude that a literal Adam and Eve is “scientifically impossible” for two reasons: First, paleoanthropologists deny the sudden appearance of intelligent, self-reflective, fully-human primates, but rather view the emergence of consciousness and intelligence as taking place slowly and incrementally over long periods of time. Second, in light of recent findings in molecular biology, especially from studies based on genetic data gleaned from the Human Genome Project, it is claimed that the hominin population (the primate group from which modern man is said to have arisen) has never had a bottleneck (reduced population) of a single mating pair in the last seven or more million years: no literal Adam and Eve. Many succumb to the modernist tendency to “adjust” Church teaching to fit the latest scientific claims—thus intimidating Catholics into thinking that divinely revealed truths can be abandoned—“if need be.”

This skepticism of a literal Adam and Eve begs for four much needed corrections.

First, Church teaching about Adam and Eve has not, and cannot, change. The fact remains that a literal Adam and Eve are unchanging Catholic doctrine. Central to St. Paul’s teaching is the fact that one man, Adam, committed original sin and that through the God-man, Jesus Christ, redemption was accomplished (Romans 5:12-21; 1 Cor. 15: 21-22). In paragraphs 396-406, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, speaks of Adam and Eve as a single mating pair who “committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state” (CCC, 404). “Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases original sin and turns a man back toward God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle” (CCC, 405). The doctrines surrounding original sin cannot be altered “without undermining the mystery of Christ” (CCC, 389).

Today, many think that Pope Pius XII’s encyclical Humani generis did not definitively exclude theological polygenism. What they fail to notice, though, is that the Holy Father clearly insists that Scripture and the Magisterium affirm that original sin “proceeds from a sin truly committed by one Adam [ab uno Adamo]” and that this sin is transmitted to all true human beings through generation (para. 37). This proves that denial of a literal Adam (and his spouse, Eve) as the sole first genuinely human parents of all true human beings is not theologically tenable.

Second, rational human nature itself requires that mankind made an instant appearance on planet Earth. Paleoanthropological claims of gradual appearance of specifically human traits fail to comport with a true philosophy of human nature. Reflecting classical Christian thought, St. Thomas Aquinas demonstrates that true man is distinguished essentially from lower animals by possession of an intellectual and immortal soul, which possesses spiritual powers of understanding, judgment, and reasoning (Summa theologiae I, 75). While these qualitatively superior abilities are manifested through special forms of tool making or culture or art, they need not always be evident in the paleontological record. Sometimes true men share mere animal survival behavior and sometimes truly human behavior is lost to modern sight due to the ravages of time. What matters is that genuinely spiritual powers are either present or not, and that these alone bespeak the presence of true man. Irrational animals, including subhuman primates, are capable of complex sentient behaviors often approaching or imitating the rational activities of true man. But an animal either possesses a spiritual, intellectual soul or not. Thus at some point in time, true man suddenly appears—whether visible to modern science or not. Before that time, all subhuman behavior manifests merely material sensory abilities. The fact that positivistic scientists cannot discern the first presence of true man is hardly remarkable.

Third, a correct understanding of the scientific (inductive) method reveals that it cannot ever logically exclude the possibility of two sole founders of humanity. Natural scientific studies employ the inductive method of reasoning. Empirically observed data is employed to form testable hypotheses. Molecular biologists use computer models in an attempt to validate such hypotheses and reach conclusions about genetic conditions in early primate populations. In this process, some researchers have committed the logically invalid move of inferring from particular data to the universally negative claim that a literal Adam and Eve is impossible. Such methodology produces, at best, solely probable conclusions, based on available evidence and the assumptions used to evaluate the data. There is the inherent possibility that an unknown factor will alter the conclusion, similarly as was the unexpected discovery of black swans in Australia, when the whole world “knew” all swans were white.

Fourth, specific scientific arguments against Adam and Eve have proven not as forceful as many presently believe (Gauger 2012). For example, some have claimed that effective population size estimates for the last several million years would not permit just two true humans to have lived during that time. Still, the technical concept of average effective population size estimates should not be confused with an actual “bottleneck” (a temporarily reduced population) which may be much smaller. Effective population size estimates can vary from as high as 14,000 (Blum 2011) to as low as 2,000 (Tenesa 2007), depending on the methods used.

Such calculations rely upon many assumptions about mutation rate, recombination rate, and other factors, that are known to vary widely. All of this entails retrospective calculations about events in the far distant past, for which we have no directly verifiable data. For such reasons, some experts have concluded that effective population size cannot be determined using DNA sequence differences alone (Sjödin 2005; Hawks 2008).

Indeed, the most famous genetic study proclaimed as a “scientific objection” to Adam and Eve turned out to be based on methodological errors. An article by geneticist Francisco J. Ayala appearing in the journal, Science (1995), led many to believe that a founding population of only two individuals was impossible. Ayala based his challenge to monogenism (two sole founders of humanity) on the large number of versions (alleles) of the particular gene HLA-DRB1, which are present in the current population. Accepting the common ancestor theory, he claimed that there were thirty-two ancient lineages of the HLA-DRB1 gene prior to the Homo/Pan split (approximately seven million years ago). Over time, these “pre-split” lineages, themselves, evolved into the new additional versions present today. Because each individual carries only two versions of a gene, a single founding pair could not have passed on the thirty-two versions that Ayala claimed existed some seven million years ago—either at that time or at any time since. A bottleneck of just two true humans, Adam and Eve, was “scientifically impossible.”

However, Ayala’s claim of thirty-two ancient HLA-DRB1 lineages (prior to the Homo/Pan split) was wrong because of methodological errors. The number of lineages was subsequently adjusted by Bergström (1998) to just seven at the time of the split, with most of the genetic diversity appearing in the last 250,000 years. A still later study coming out of Bergström’s group inferred that just four such lineages existed more than five million years ago, but that a few more appeared soon thereafter (von Salomé 2007). While two mating hominins can transmit four lineages, the few additional later ones still require explanation.

These genetic studies, based on many assumptions and use of computer models, do not tell us how the origin of the human race actually took place. But, they do show (1) that methodological limitations and radical contingency are inherent in such studies, which are employed to make retroactive judgments about deeply ancient populations that can never be subject to direct observation, and (2) that present scientific claims against the possibility of a literal Adam and Eve are not definitive (Gauger 2012, 105-122).

Philosopher Kenneth W. Kemp and others have suggested that interbreeding between true humans and subhuman primates in the same biological population might account for presently observed genetic diversity (Kemp 2011). Such interbreeding is not to be confused with the marriages between true human siblings and cousins which would have occurred in the first generations following Adam and Eve, which unions were a necessary part of God’s plan for the initial propagation of mankind (Gen. 1:28).

The difficulty with any interbreeding solution (save, perhaps, in rare instances) is that it would place at the human race’s very beginning a severe impediment to its healthy growth and development. Natural law requires that marriage and procreation take place solely between a man and a woman, so that children are given proper role models for adult life. So too, even if the union between a true human and a subhuman primate were not merely transitory, but lasting, the defective parenting and role model of a parent who is not a true human being would introduce serious disorder in the proper functioning of the family and education of children. Hence, widespread interbreeding is not an acceptable solution to the problem of genetic diversity.

Moreover, given the marked reduction in the number of ancient HLA-DRB1 alleles found by the later genetic studies of Bergström and von Salomé, it may turn out that no interbreeding is needed at all, or at most, that very rare instances of it may have occurred. Such rare events might not even entail the consent of true human beings, since they could result from an attack by a subhuman male upon a non-consenting human female.

A literal Adam and Eve remains rationally, scientifically credible.

Since the same God is author both of human reason and of authentic revelation, legitimate natural science, properly conducted, will never contradict Catholic doctrine, properly understood. Catholic doctrine still maintains that a literal Adam and Eve must have existed, a primal couple who committed that personal original sin, which occasioned the need for, and the divine promise of, the coming of the Redeemer, Jesus Christ.

Editor’s note: The image above is a detail from “The Fall of Man” painted by Hendrik Goltzius in 1616.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Religion & Science; Theology
KEYWORDS: adam; adamandeve; creation; crevo; crevolist; eve; evolution; fazalerana; gardenofeden; genesis; hughross; originalparents; origins
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

So those who oppose Murray's teachings as "God's end times prophet" will give account for their words against his teachings?

761 posted on 11/29/2014 12:03:36 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

What’s to “lol” about. If his teachings are different from what I posted, then post them here. Should be easy enough. Or is it most of his teachings are on cassette tapes and videos? You could point us to links no? To refute what I posted?


762 posted on 11/29/2014 12:06:46 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: FourtySeven; All

No not anti-catholicism, but anti-heresy in general.

Catholicism is a major stock holder in false doctrine, but they are far from alone.


763 posted on 11/29/2014 12:09:48 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; editor-surveyor; boatbums; Elsie

Show his words here. Please include the portions where he claims the 7000 are of the priesthood line of Zadok.

Murray: “I LEAD the Priesthood of the Zadok, the 7000 VERY Elect”

Those his words?


764 posted on 11/29/2014 12:11:19 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; All

>> “What was will be again, wait and see.” <<

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Can you share your date with your fellow FReepers?

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765 posted on 11/29/2014 12:12:28 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: redleghunter
Don’t stop keep reading. All claims are cited from videos or tapes from Murray’s work.

Then they shouldn't say Arnold denied the Trinity. Outright falsehood and I won't read anything after that. It's easy enough and much more honest to go to Shepherd's Chapel website and quote him directly.

Murray believed he was God’s chosen prophet for end times.

Falsehood. Arnold said John the Baptist was the last prophet.

766 posted on 11/29/2014 12:12:45 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: redleghunter
So those who oppose Murray's teachings as "God's end times prophet" will give account for their words against his teachings?

Again, Arnold said John the Baptist was the last prophet. Those who false accuse will account for their words.

767 posted on 11/29/2014 12:14:44 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: redleghunter
What’s to “lol” about.

That you're making these false accusations and you don't even know his name, his name is Arnold, not Arthur.

If his teachings are different from what I posted, then post them here. Should be easy enough. Or is it most of his teachings are on cassette tapes and videos? You could point us to links no? To refute what I posted?

Arnold taught the Trinity for one. I didn't get past that, what do you want to know?

768 posted on 11/29/2014 12:17:31 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: redleghunter

I, I, I, I,

I am the Frito Bandito!

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769 posted on 11/29/2014 12:19:13 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: redleghunter
Show his words here. Please include the portions where he claims the 7000 are of the priesthood line of Zadok.

Arnold taught for 60 years, you look it up. I'll post my remembrances on specific questions but I'm not doing your research for you.

Murray: “I LEAD the Priesthood of the Zadok, the 7000 VERY Elect” Those his words?

I do remember him saying his ministry is the Elijah ministry of the end times. That's not saying he's a prophet of course. I'd say I agree with him there. If only 7000 are not going to be fooled by Satan, I would guess most of those 7000 are Arnold's students. No other church teaches God's Word in a manner that prepares them to spot the antiChrist when he arrives.

770 posted on 11/29/2014 12:23:35 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; redleghunter

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>> “Falsehood. Arnold said John the Baptist was the last prophet.” <<

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So then John, Peter, and Paul were not prophets?

Yeshua was not the prophet that Moses said we must hear?

Now we are making progress!

Antichrist will be standing on the holy place in a few days!


771 posted on 11/29/2014 12:24:59 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Can you share your date with your fellow FReepers? .

Sometime before 2068. I would guess right around 2020. Only God knows the date but we are allowed to know the season.

772 posted on 11/29/2014 12:26:24 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; redleghunter; boatbums

>> “ If only 7000 are not going to be fooled by Satan, I would guess most of those 7000 are Arnold’s students.” <<

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There you are!

I knew you’d come out of the closet on this thread!


773 posted on 11/29/2014 12:28:24 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
So then John, Peter, and Paul were not prophets?

I'd say they were. Maybe Arnold didn't include them because of their being known as "apostles".

Yeshua was not the prophet that Moses said we must hear?

Jesus was messiah, the fulfillment of prophecy.

774 posted on 11/29/2014 12:34:46 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

Moses said that he was the prophet that we must hear.


775 posted on 11/29/2014 12:51:01 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

I’d say that’s true, Jesus is a prophet, and we must hear Him.


776 posted on 11/29/2014 12:52:55 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
"Mormonism is preferable to political correctness."

How do you figure?

Mormonism teaches that God was a man, that He physically impregnated Mary, that Jesus and Satan were brothers, etc., etc. Seems to me it's not preferable to anything.

777 posted on 11/29/2014 12:53:57 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: CatherineofAragon
How do you figure? Mormonism teaches that God was a man, that He physically impregnated Mary, that Jesus and Satan were brothers, etc., etc. Seems to me it's not preferable to anything.

With political correctness people are silenced. With Mormonism, they lay out their beliefs and one can either accept them or reject them.

778 posted on 11/29/2014 12:56:34 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
"Yes Arnold was not very popular amongst the politically correct churches."

Let me get this straight. You say every source that brings Murray's errors to light is "politically correct.", despite the fact that many of them are evangelical and likely the opposite of PC.

It's all about Murray with you, it seems. He said something, so it's Gospel. Why would you take the word of one man against all of Christendom and believe he's correct?

When you start thinking that everyone is against the person you admire, and that he's never wrong but everyone else IS, you have the makings of a cult of personality, and that is a problem. Do you not see this?

" And if only 7000 out of 7 billion will not bow to antiChrist, thats just one in a million, one third of the world is Christian, probably half believe in God, so that leaves 1 out of 150,000 that keep the testimony of Jesus Christ. Arnold was not popular with the rest of the Christian world just as I am not popular here with you all. That's okay, we still win in the end."

See, it's not about popularity. None of this is personal, yet you apparently take it as an "Arnold against the world" type of thing.

Christianity doesn't teach that only 7000 will stand firm against the AntiChrist; yet Murray claims it and you accept it. Why?

I wonder if his followers were afraid he would launch into one of his angry tirades against them, and call them losers, yo-yos, idiots, etc., as he did with all of his detractors.

Fine Christian witness, that.

779 posted on 11/29/2014 1:04:09 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
"What has been will be gain. Judging from this thread, on a site with a lot of Christians, I look to be the only one with the gumption to stand against the political correctness that is killing the teaching of the Word of God. I'm the one that has the false assumers riled up. That tells me I'm doing something right that no one else is doing. "

Yes, that's right. Everyone else is wrong; you have the secret knowledge. Arnold Murray dreamed up his figure of 7000 in contradiction of 2000 years of Christian writing, but HE is correct.

Do you even realize how you sound?

780 posted on 11/29/2014 1:06:49 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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