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Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?
Crisis Magazine ^ | November 24, 2014 | DENNIS BONNETTE

Posted on 11/24/2014 1:07:14 PM PST by NYer

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To: redleghunter; Just mythoughts; boatbums

The blinding does not apply to the “lost sheep of the House of Israel”

As Yeshua himself stated, he was only sent to them! (Matthew 15:24)

They are the primary recipients of the gospel.

The House of Judah was blinded. That is essentially what Phariseeism is: total blindness to the gospel of the kingdom.


941 posted on 12/01/2014 9:35:58 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
editor-surveyor: "Your My verbose nonsense accomplishes nothing. I'm childish. I will desist!"

Thank you, sir.

942 posted on 12/01/2014 10:18:31 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective..)
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To: BroJoeK

Little boy, I hope you’re having fun.


943 posted on 12/01/2014 12:47:22 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: redleghunter
If, as a few are saying here, Romans 11:4 is a prophecy of the 7000 that will not fall for the lie of the antichrist and that number “7000” is literal, then I guess the part about it being “men” is literal, too? So, we women won't have a chance???
944 posted on 12/01/2014 12:48:30 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: editor-surveyor

I have no idea if we will need to be invisible, but Yeshua thought it important to tell Nicodemus, so we’ll have to wait an see.

 

HUH???

 
 
 
John 3   (KJV)

There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

945 posted on 12/01/2014 1:21:26 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redleghunter
Arnold Murray-The Shepherds Chapel

What does the Shepherd's Chapel teach? | Christian ...

946 posted on 12/01/2014 2:10:00 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: BroJoeK
I believe what the Bible says, while acknowledging that some of it can be explained in natural-science terms, and much cannot.

Thanks. An interesting position.

947 posted on 12/01/2014 2:16:21 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: boatbums

LOL, yep that was going to be my next observation. Sorry ladies, no 7000 for you!


948 posted on 12/01/2014 2:19:50 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: Elsie

Did you bother reading verse 8?

Everyone that is born of the spirit can move about, invisibly, like the wind.

Obviously, nobody but Yeshua has been born of the spirit yet.

The word is read hard on your theology.
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949 posted on 12/01/2014 3:08:15 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: redleghunter
>>People who claim that all peoples walking this earth today came from Adam and Eve are biblically ignorant.<<

Genesis 4 King James Version (KJV) 4 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord. 2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. Genesis 5 King James Version (KJV) 5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. 3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth: 4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: 5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. 6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos: 7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters: 8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died. 9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan: 10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters: 11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died. 12 And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel: 13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters: 14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died. 15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared: 16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters: 17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died. 18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch: 19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died. 21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: 22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: 24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. 25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech. 26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters: 27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died. 28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son: 29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed. 30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters: 31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died. 32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.(KJV)

What happened to the demand for 'context', 'context', 'context'!

Genesis 1:26 And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let *them* (that would mean more than one) have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Writers of history call this the period of 'hunter/gatherers'.

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had mad; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.

4 These are THE GENERATIONS OF THE HEAVENS AND OF THE EARTH when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew:

PAY ATTENTION to the rest of this verse

for the LORD God had not cause it to rain upon the earth, and there was NOT a man to till the ground.

So just as history records farming as a way of life.... was not created back on the sixth day.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

NOT one word here regarding when the 'soul' was created, yet God had Ezekiel declare in Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are Mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Now you can read the prior chapter that prior verses of Ezekiel to get the 'context' for why this declaration was given.

Back to Genesis and the recorded fact there were two different days of God forming flesh man wherein He breathed the breath of life which means soul in to the flesh vessel.

8 (And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed.

9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for good; the 'tree of life' (Christ) also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil (signifying the serpent. (So the devil was symbolic of a 'tree' and a slithering, glistening snake.)

As it was this tree Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die"

We already know from verse 9 the 'tree of the knowledge of good and evil as not 'good' for food.

Genesis 3:15 (first prophecy given) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her Seed; 'It shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise His heel."

God was not talking about apple seeds or pomegranate seeds when He had Moses pen this first prophecy.

Remember this man Adam was formed to 'till' the ground and God then formed different animals as recorded in 2:19.

Did you miss that in the Generations of Adam recorded in Genesis 5 Cain is not listed as Adam's child? Why Cain and his generations are listed in Genesis 4 all alone.

It is this ridiculous claim that all God's children came from just two people opened the door to the fairy tale/tail of evolution. DNA contains the history of the flesh body, God retains the history of each and every soul.

950 posted on 12/01/2014 8:25:56 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: redleghunter
If the big secret no one knows but Murrayites is the antichrist is from Satan, then get your money back from buying his videos and tapes. Your fellow Murrayite said the 7000 would be the ONLY ones to identify the antichrist. But you just pointed out scriptures any 12 yr old in Sunday school can point out.

LOL I suppose I have been called worse. But this is the first occasion to be called a Murrayite Oddly I have yet to quote him regarding anything. Personally I prefer the Scripture and I am not aware of Murray writing any books.

It is not a secret big or small who the false messiah is, for any who read the 'volume of the Book'. Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 describes the first rebel and he is said to get tossed out of heaven. Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, call the Devil and Satan, which (guess what) deceiveth the whole world: he was cast into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our Go, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, (NOT a fly away doctrine) and by the word of their testimony; (reserved either figuratively or literally 7,000) and they loved not their lives unto their death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. WOE (tribulation of deception) to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

NOT a big secret.

951 posted on 12/01/2014 8:42:13 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: redleghunter
I think the “rapture blanket” folks would realize real quick the corruptable body remaining would be a huge hint it’s not Jesus Christ. Are you saying the rapture, the translation the caught up is not clearly shown in Scriptures?

Before I ever heard of Murray, I knew the rapture doctrine was a hoax. It flies in opposition to everything Written. See I was raised in this notion that some people were too special to face the tribulation. That idea diminished the saving hands of our Lord and Savior.

Who do you think Paul was instructing in Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of His might.

Put on the whole armour of God,

that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle NOT against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God,

that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about the truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: ........

NOT one word from Paul about getting on the first UFO out of here.

952 posted on 12/01/2014 8:53:53 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: redleghunter
I think the “rapture blanket” folks would realize real quick the corruptable body remaining would be a huge hint it’s not Jesus Christ. Are you saying the rapture, the translation the caught up is not clearly shown in Scriptures?

Well hey, you got it made. Where did God say He was going to rescind the law of gravity? And where does it say that the special people will be leaving behind their heavy flesh bodies? And further more where are you all going. Christ is coming here. I thought the raputremites loved Jesus.

953 posted on 12/01/2014 9:00:19 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: editor-surveyor
editor-surveyor: "I'm a Little boy with no clue, no facts and no serious arguments, so I hope you’re I'm having fun posting insults."

Agreed.

954 posted on 12/02/2014 12:19:54 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective..)
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To: redleghunter
redleghunter: "Thanks. An interesting position."

Do you disagree?

955 posted on 12/02/2014 1:01:16 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective..)
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To: CatherineofAragon
We see that. Your so-called man of God doesn't need to meet any standards. You even excuse lying. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Universities give out honorary doctorates all the time.

956 posted on 12/02/2014 4:15:55 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Elsie
Says the fella who seems to have a hard time posting 'proof'.

Proof of what?

957 posted on 12/02/2014 4:17:08 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: redleghunter
If the big secret no one knows but Murrayites is the antichrist is from Satan,...

The antiChrist isSatan.

958 posted on 12/02/2014 4:20:35 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: redleghunter
Ok so the Israelis are not “Kenites” as Murray asserted in your view.

Of course Arnold does not say Israelis are Kenites. Now when you look at the two baskets of figs, the bad figs were prophesied to inhabit many nations, so there is some in many nations. Jesus got most of His disciples from around the Sea of Galilee. Those were very good figs and those people never left the area, even when the Romans sacked Jerusalem.

By your answer, then Romans 11 applies to real Jews and Israelites. So then to be in the 7000 you would hail from one of the 12 tribes of Israel. Why didn’t you state you were of Hebrew origin? Or were you approaching Romans 9-11 metaphorically as opposed to literally?

Where do you get the idea that the elect have to be Israelite? I have no doubt Baruch was of the elect, and he was a gentile. Regardless, since the crucifixion all that believe in Jesus are of Abraham.

959 posted on 12/02/2014 4:36:35 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: redleghunter
So Murray has no transcripts of his sermons for me to examine? Sorry no Dish. But I can read transcripts somewhere?

I'm sure he does. I've always had him on my local station so there has never been a reason for me to look for them on the internet. I'm sure he's on in your area on one of the local stations in the morning.

960 posted on 12/02/2014 4:39:52 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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