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For Advent: The Virgin Birth
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Posted on 12/06/2014 3:04:38 PM PST by Salvation

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To: defconw

See my post 43.


381 posted on 12/09/2014 5:29:47 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I am not sure what you mean. I have known the difference between Jesus being born of the Virgin Marry and the Immaculate Conception of Mary since I was 8 years old.


382 posted on 12/09/2014 5:36:40 PM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: CynicalBear

“Let’s stay with scripture.”

If you mean fling all the rest of God’s blessings and communications back in His face, no thank you.


383 posted on 12/09/2014 7:42:00 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Elsie

“...that means that Mary has to handle approximately 139 ‘requests’ per second! “

That sounds like George Carlin imitating a wise-guy teenager in catechism class.

God and His Heaven are not bound by time.


384 posted on 12/09/2014 7:44:41 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Elsie

“Interesting...”

More interesting still if one understands the argument.


385 posted on 12/09/2014 7:45:35 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“If you believe you can support this opinion of yours with any facts, evidence or logic, please do.”

It is demonstrated by the personal experiences of many, many people, including myself.

It is demonstrated by the experiences of the 70,000 who witnessed the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima.

It is demonstrated by the experiences of those who witnessed the burbling forth of the spring at Lourdes.

It is demonstrated by about a metric ton of other experiences stretching back millennia, enough to justify a new wing to the library.

However, you have not examined any significant part of this evidence, and I predict that you will not.

As a body of evidence, these experiences are more than compelling.

“Until then, the syncretic history of the Roman denomination stands as Exibit A of my claim about a “Living Constitution.”

Exhibit A fails to constitute a prima facie case. It shows only that you know next to nothing about that which you revile.


386 posted on 12/09/2014 7:56:51 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: metmom

“Who’s stating that?”

I am.

According to the protestant dogmata that have been asserted here, I should be entitled to claim the assistance of the Holy Spirit in discerning that fact.

However, I do not make that claim. My assertion was born of long research, contemplation, and prayer. I am morally certain of its truth, not least because that is the way that God has created the Universe and its laws, physical and moral.


387 posted on 12/09/2014 8:03:10 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Elsie

“How sweet...”

But not as sweet as you.


388 posted on 12/09/2014 8:04:01 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Elsie

“You seem to pull these comparisons from all sorts of locations.”

The ability to examine and compare many disparate things is handy for those trying to discern the truth of a matter.


389 posted on 12/09/2014 8:05:15 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc; aMorePerfectUnion

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>>It is demonstrated by the personal experiences of many, many people, including myself.

It is demonstrated by the experiences of the 70,000 who witnessed the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima.

It is demonstrated by the experiences of those who witnessed the burbling forth of the spring at Lourdes.

It is demonstrated by about a metric ton of other experiences stretching back millennia, enough to justify a new wing to the library.

As a body of evidence, these experiences are more than compelling.” <<

Satan’s finest work!

Reinforced by strong delusion, sent by the Father.

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390 posted on 12/09/2014 8:08:11 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: dsc
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"The ability to examine and compare many disparate things is handy for those trying to discern the truth of a matter pull the wool over everyone's eyes.

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391 posted on 12/09/2014 8:10:57 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: dsc

Personal experiences arre great. Every pagan religion can claim them. Whirling dervishes whirl for a reason.

It is not surprising that as syncretism entered Catholicism,, doctrines had to justify the practices and new beliefs.

Now..in regards to your sole reliance on experiences to justify belief... Are you giving equal weight to the experiences of hundreds of millions of Protestant Christians...?

When will you be starting your thread to discuss this?

Best


392 posted on 12/09/2014 8:14:02 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: dsc

Well, thanks for admitting that’s what you believe about grace.

It’s wrong, though.

If you knew Scripture, you’d have it right like the rest of the non-Catholics around here.


393 posted on 12/09/2014 11:15:45 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Should I get the popecorn ready?


394 posted on 12/09/2014 11:17:50 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Grateful2God

I can live without a beautiful day.

What I want is a wonderful Forever!


395 posted on 12/10/2014 6:38:28 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: defconw; terycarl
Please refrain from introducing fact to this thread. ;)

So far; so good!

396 posted on 12/10/2014 6:40:43 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Grateful2God
Honestly, I wanted to know what your background of faith was, simply to have a better understanding of your position to facilitate dialogue.

Read what I type; not what I don't.

Your preconceived ideas about what my chosen denomination 'teaches' may cloud your ability to deal with what I write here.

397 posted on 12/10/2014 6:42:20 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Grateful2God
I wasn’t asking you to justify your faith: I just wanted to know your faith background, independent of your feelings regarding the Catholic Church.

Have I been posting my 'feelings'?

I really try hard NOT to do that.

The printed words from Rome and the Book they gave us is MORE than adequate to illustrate the problems here.

398 posted on 12/10/2014 6:45:07 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Grateful2God
I still believe in Mary’s Perpetual Virginity.

Even in the absense of FACTS?

399 posted on 12/10/2014 6:45:51 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Grateful2God
...I truly believe what the Catholic Church teaches.

If you ever (and many are praying that you will) get to the point where your doubts cause you too much trouble; remember that Jesus said that He'd never leave us or forsake us.

Hebrews 13:5

400 posted on 12/10/2014 6:48:38 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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