Posted on 12/08/2014 6:22:25 AM PST by marshmallow
I am not calling grace twisted, I am calling your assertion that someone in a continuing state of mortal sin can be forgiven by grace twisted. See the difference? sheesh
But you make no provision for someone who does something BEFORE becoming a Christian - like get into a marriage with another non believer - divorcing - and then coming to accept Christ and marrying a Christian later. OR - physical abuse, drug addiction, rampant infidelity, or maybe someone who just got left by their spouse?
You see, you have no grace for anyone, and only the law applied without any provision. Sounds to me like you stuck it out in a horrible passionless marriage and want some kind of something to make you feel good about it.
like get into a marriage with another non believer - divorcing - and then coming to accept Christ and marrying a Christian later—lack of form, will be annulled then the person can get into a Catholic marriage, grace
physical abuse, drug addiction, rampant infidelity, or maybe someone who just got left by their spouse—try to get annulment, grace
No, the ones I am talking about are the ones who divorced, remarried w/o annulment and now demand to be approved by the Church w/o realizing they are wrong and without repenting for being in a state of continuing adultery and w/o doing anything to cure being in a state of continuing adultery—no grace
and no, mine was good until poof it was bad, now God is my only hope
On that, you and I have no disagreement whatsoever. And shame on the church that does so for sake of the offering plate and keeping the pews full. But I think the tone of the article, and some comments, was a bit more strident and general than that.
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I find it comical that they fight back and forth and completely ignore what God has to say about it...They even refuse to post the scripture where God allows divorce...
They should send you to Part 2 of that Synod, to enlighten some of those confused bishops and other Church leaders. :-)
True, and then they say you can have an annulment, as if it never happened due to not meeting one of seven rules. God was there, he attended the Wedding, you can’t lie to him.
Much better to ask forgiveness, than to pretend some rule makes you absolved of this mistake. God is love and it is best to take your sin of marrying a jerk to him, he forgives all, except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
So, if you screwed up and married a cheater and did not know it, when that loser cheats...the innocent is free to divorce and marry again, no longer in bondage (to that person or that vow). Why? Because we are redeemed from the Old Testament laws, where an adulterer would have been stoned to death. Death ending the vows...until death do us part. Are they any less spiritually accountable for having destroyed their vow, in NT? No.
AND Jesus said if you think it in your heart it is sin, adultery. So, if you are going around lusting after someone, it isn’t any less of a sin than if you did it in the flesh. The battleground for sin is in the mind, and that’s why ‘the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life’ are man’s biggest hurdle.
You have it so right. The question where Jesus answers his disciples ...I posted to one of them, He notes that the issue is between the couple about the infidelity.
Yes, at times it is comical. Because they will condemn you forever to hell....but yet go through the annulment so they can marry whomever they want....because some guys in robes said it never happened....
Thanks, I feel less alone in this knowledge.
Thanks for the kind comment
“Deut 29:29 and”
I suppose that’s by way of arguing for or against something, but I don’t know what.
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