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[Arthur McGowan]

Jesus got neither His human soul nor His divine nature, nor His human nature from Mary, all were from God using Mary as the vessel. Yes Mary was the Mother of God because you cannot separate Christs natures from one another...He was fully man and Fully God, not half and half...

Not exactly.

The divine Person who became incarnate in the womb of Mary was a divine Person with a divine nature from eternity.

The human soul of Jesus was an immediate creation of God, at his conception, like all other humans' souls.

The flesh of Jesus came from his mother, like all humans' flesh. After birth, his flesh came from his food, like all of us.

All of us exist by a created "act of existence" which is sustained by God's willing that we should participate in existence. The human nature of Christ exists because the Second Person of the Trinity acts as its Act of Existence. Thus, the human nature of Christ--body and soul--was created at a moment in time, but it exists eternally because its Act of Existence is the uncreated Word or Second Person of the Trinity.

Yes, Mary is properly called the "Mother of God" because Jesus is ONE DIVINE PERSON. The title "Mother of God" never meant that Mary was the origin of the eternal Word. It always meant that the Person of whom Mary is the mother is ONE PERSON.

[Resettozero]

All of us exist by a created "act of existence" which is sustained by God's willing that we should participate in existence. The human nature of Christ exists because the Second Person of the Trinity acts as its Act of Existence. Thus, the human nature of Christ--body and soul--was created at a moment in time, but it exists eternally because its Act of Existence is the uncreated Word or Second Person of the Trinity.

And what about the "You must be born again of the Spirit" part? Does that fit with your story?

[vladimir998]

In the end Kenrick accepted papal infallibility as taught by the Council. He ordered it taught in his schools, his seminary, his parishes. He believed in infallibility of the Church. I doubt you do. he believed in the infallibility of the pope when working in union with the bishops. You don’t, right? He accepted papal infallibility as defined by the Council.

I think you described your own post: “The rest of your post is simply more irrelevant damage control and ranting, which just adds to your record.”

[vladimir998]

“you really wonder why the mod zings you all the time???”

I have never once wondered that. I wondered something else.

[Resettozero]

vlad, you certain you shouldn’t pull up and sit on the side of the pool for a few minutes? Lack of oxygen perhaps?

[JPX2011]

First sentence: Possibly. Not my call

Okay. So then will you withdraw your characterization of either the Catholic Church or myself or the 1.2 billion Catholics in the world as being Christian "posers"? Seeing as how its not your call to make?

If you know his voice and He knows yours, likely you are destined to leave the RCC at some point (Come out of her) and gather with other like-minded believers in and followers of Lord Jesus Christ and Him alone, as many many former RCC members have done already.

And then you make the call again. According to you nobody can remain in the RCC and still be a Christian.

[vladimir998]

“vlad, you certain you shouldn’t pull up and sit on the side of the pool for a few minutes? Lack of oxygen perhaps?”

I can always leave the pool, but if I do then there’s no one to pull you out of the drain. If only you had learned to swim!

[terycarl]

Isn’t Mary already considered Mediatrix of all graces by the Catholic Church?

no

[WVKayaker]

Some people attempt to make glib remarks as a demonstration of their verbal prowess. Often when they do it, they reveal their ignorance.

As for the snark about "expatriate", it has nothing to do with the meme presented, but again tries to distract from the cogent response presented.

I would expect no less from the source! When an intelligible response is made, it is mostly ignored and some distract ion presented!

contracept
[kon-truh-sept]
verb (used with object)
1. to prevent the conception of (offspring).
2. to prevent pregnancy or impregnation in; provide with the means for birth control.

*****

Look! Squirrel! (pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!)

[Resettozero]

G’night vlad. (Some group of RCC apologists you got with ya tonight, vlad. It is the same group that has ignored the truth handed them on a platter many times and on many FR threads, all the while proceeding blindly as if no one has noticed their vain repetitions and pontifications on who-knows-what they’ve gleaned from the Bible.)

[terycarl]

Mary will be greatly distressed when she rises from the dead at the Resurrection and discovers that men had built a world-wide religion incorporating a pagan goddess that utilizes Mary’s name and drank her Son’s literal blood and ate His literal body.

no she won't...that's what He told us to do...

[Resettozero]

According to you nobody can remain in the RCC and still be a Christian.

That's your summation; not mine.

What I have posted is what I've posted. You are free to read it and believe I meant all that I've posted or not. FReepers perogative...but at your own risk.

G'nite, JPX2011.

[Resettozero]

R2z : Mary will be greatly distressed when she rises from the dead at the Resurrection and discovers that men had built a world-wide religion incorporating a pagan goddess that utilizes Mary’s name and drank her Son’s literal blood and ate His literal body.

terycarl : no she won't...that's what He told us to do...

G'nite, terycarl.

[Arthur McGowan]

Huh?

Do you like cheese sandwiches or ham sandwiches?

Your question has nothing to do with anything.

[JPX2011]

Some people attempt to make glib remarks as a demonstration of their verbal prowess. Often when they do it, they reveal their ignorance.

I'll be sure to keep that in mind the next some sycophant from the Protestant contingent who can't address the substance of a post depends on the strikethrough HTML tag in a game of verbal badminton?

Some intelligible response.

[Resettozero]

Or are you walking in the flesh and not as committed as you think ?

All too often, af_vet_1981. All too often.

G'nite.

[ealgeone]

Uh yes she is a mediatrix. If I remember I’ll post tomorrow. Going to bed now..

[Resettozero]

Do you like cheese sandwiches or ham sandwiches?

Your question has nothing to do with anything.

G'nite, Art.