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Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?
self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone

The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; blessedvirginmary; catholic; mary; mystery; mysterybabylon; prayer; rcinventions; vanities; vanity; worship
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To: LurkingSince'98; Paragon Defender

Even Paragon Defender would swoon at your C&P abilities!


941 posted on 12/16/2014 5:22:37 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LurkingSince'98; Paragon Defender

Even Paragon Defender would swoon at your C&P abilities!


942 posted on 12/16/2014 5:25:19 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: onyx
NO GOOD WILL is achieved, or if it is, it’s lost on me.

People who get REBUKED for non-biblical teaching never seem to consider it 'goodwill'.

943 posted on 12/16/2014 5:26:17 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SpirituTuo
Regarding his work, the Secret of Mary, he was attempting to explain (in a stylistically peculiar way for modern people) the role of Mary relative to Jesus.

Isn't a Barf Alert required for stuff like this?

944 posted on 12/16/2014 5:27:42 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vox_freedom
And you are not a saint until judged by God. To assume otherwise is a dangerous assumption.


The New Testament uses the word saint or saints 67 times.

In every instance, the reference is to all believers (e.g., Acts 26:10; Romans 1:7; 1 Corinthians 1:2).

Never is the word used of a special group of believers who serve God better than others.

Scripture is clear that all Christians are saints.

http://www.compellingtruth.org/Christian-saints.html

945 posted on 12/16/2014 5:32:43 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SpirituTuo
Many Catholics haven’t read his works..

Or much of the Bible; either.

946 posted on 12/16/2014 5:33:25 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JPX2011
Seeing as how the daily modus operandi of the protestant contingent is to mock the Catholic and His/Her Church.

Seeing as how the daily modus operandi of the Catholic contingent is to brag and boast about how wonderful their CHURCH is and how really, REALLY!!! important Mary is in it!

947 posted on 12/16/2014 5:35:23 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
In short, He declared that the Catholic church would be infallible in matters of faith and morals because He would not allow her to err.....

I've heard; somewhere; that these churches were Catholic...




948 posted on 12/16/2014 5:37:25 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Why are you so rude and insulting? Is that how you feel good about yourself? Sad, really.


949 posted on 12/16/2014 5:37:26 AM PST by SpirituTuo
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To: ealgeone
It never stops with catholicism redefining everything to make it fit the narrative


 


'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,
' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'  


950 posted on 12/16/2014 5:38:42 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

So, as I asked before, “How do you address/refer to the individual listed as the male parent on your birth certificate?”.


951 posted on 12/16/2014 5:45:31 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: terycarl

Continuing to repeat the many time debunked belief of catholicism regarding the #s of denominations makes you look silly.


952 posted on 12/16/2014 5:46:58 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: terycarl

It isn’t theory,it’s God’s Word. Regarding Lazarus, perhaps you’ll believe the Lord, John 11:4.


953 posted on 12/16/2014 5:47:02 AM PST by xone
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To: terycarl

Continuing to repeat the many time debunked belief of catholicism regarding the #s of denominations makes you look silly.


954 posted on 12/16/2014 5:48:18 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: Elsie

LOL!


955 posted on 12/16/2014 5:49:22 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: redleghunter
Your comment: “Faith is an action. We act according to the Object of our faith. This means we walk as Christ walks.”

Well I am glad to hear that. Many seem to feel or express that once they accept Jesus, they will always be saved.

I still don't know why so many feel the need to attack Catholic traditions and teachings.

The Catholic Church is full of saints and sinners, and our main focus is to spread the Word of our Lord so that we may all live a Christ like life and join Him in Heaven. It is difficult to always to the right thing and many fail.

Christian Churches are an offshoot of the Catholic Church that seem to have a different moral core than the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has followed the teachings of Christ, while other Christian churches accept some of the basics of the Catholic teachings but reject other teachings.

As an example, The Catholic Church honors and venerates The Blessed Mother as a special human without sin and servant and obedient to God. We pray to her to ask for her help and to intercede with her son and our Lord. Yet many here accuse the Catholic Church of raising her to the level of God and accuse us of false worship. They are unwilling to accept the teaching of the Catholic Church.

Living our life as Catholics, we try to follow Christ's path as taught by the Catholic Church. Sometimes we succeed, and sometimes we fail. We voluntarily follow this path and encourage others to do likewise, but living by our moral code and Catholic Church teachings is not forced on anyone (even Catholics). God gave us free will and does not force us to love Him or follow His path.

956 posted on 12/16/2014 5:51:31 AM PST by ADSUM
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To: vox_freedom
For those here who believe in not cherry-picking the Bible:


Romans 16 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

16 And I commend to you Phebe, our sister, who is in the ministry of the church, that is in Cenchrae:

That you receive her in the Lord as becometh saints; and that you assist her in whatsoever business she shall have need of you. For she also hath assisted many, and myself also.

Salute Prisca and Aquila, my helpers in Christ Jesus,

(Who have for my life laid down their own necks: to whom not I only give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles,)

And the church which is in their house. Salute Epenetus, my beloved: who is the firstfruits of Asia in Christ.

Salute Mary, who hath laboured much among you.

Salute Andronicus and Junias, my kinsmen and fellow prisoners: who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

Salute Ampliatus, most beloved to me in the Lord.

Salute Urbanus, our helper in Christ Jesus, and Stachys, my beloved.

10 Salute Apelles, approved in Christ.

11 Salute them that are of Aristobulus' household. Salute Herodian, my kinsman. Salute them that are of Narcissus' household, who are in the Lord.

12 Salute Tryphaena and Tryphosa, who labour in the Lord. Salute Persis, the dearly beloved, who hath much laboured in the Lord.

13 Salute Rufus, elect in the Lord, and his mother and mine.

14 Salute Asyncritus, Phlegon, Hermas, Patrobas, Hermes, and the brethren that are with them.

15 Salute Philologus and Julia, Nereus and his sister, and Olympias; and all the saints that are with them.

16 Salute one another with an holy kiss. All the churches of Christ salute you.

17 Now I beseech you, brethren, to mark them who make dissensions and offences contrary to the doctrine which you have learned, and avoid them.

18 For they that are such, serve not Christ our Lord, but their own belly; and by pleasing speeches and good words, seduce the hearts of the innocent.

19 For your obedience is published in every place. I rejoice therefore in you. But I would have you to be wise in good, and simple in evil.

20 And the God of peace crush Satan under your feet speedily. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

21 Timothy, my fellow labourer, saluteth you, and Lucius, and Jason, and Sosipater, my kinsmen.

22 I Tertius, who wrote this epistle, salute you in the Lord.

23 Caius, my host, and the whole church, saluteth you. Erastus, the treasurer of the city, saluteth you, and Quartus, a brother.

24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

25 Now to him that is able to establish you, according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret from eternity,

26 (Which now is made manifest by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the precept of the eternal God, for the obedience of faith,) known among all nations;

27 To God the only wise, through Jesus Christ, to whom be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

957 posted on 12/16/2014 6:02:51 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vox_freedom
Salute Mary, who hath laboured much among you.
Romans 16:6

Salute Persis, the dearly beloved, who hath much laboured in the Lord.


958 posted on 12/16/2014 6:03:32 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
You must be assuming that everything that Jesus and the Apostles did was written in the Bible.

You must be wrong.

ROME teaches that many important things are NOT found in the bible; and only IT has the 'correct' teaching.

959 posted on 12/16/2014 6:04:47 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LurkingSince'98
I am off for three months

Don't be so shy!

If the truth were known; you've been off for a very, VERY long time!

960 posted on 12/16/2014 6:05:51 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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