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To: CynicalBear
"Let me see if I can make this more clear to you. The statement was made by a person to the affect that he had never read a version of scripture INCLUDING THE KJV that included that doxology. My post was simply showing the versions that include it INCLUDING THE KJV. Now, do we believe that he actually read the KJV or was that statement hyperbole? You can spend all the time you want on some debate about whether it should be there or not. I CARE NOT NOR WAS IT PERTINENT TO THE POINT I WAS MAKING. I hope that makes it clearer."

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You are still completely missing my point, CynicalBear.

My post #2606 referred back to your post #2306 which said:

   Added to the original Greek? Seriously?

which ultimately worked back to your post #2302, in which you stated that the "Doxology" was (and here is a direct quote from your post #2302):

   "Found in these versions.    The original Greek as found at biblehub"

My point to you was and is that we do not have the original Greek, at BibleHub, or anywhere else in the world -- only copies of copies made long after the originals had been written.

(In other words, your claim is false -- they do not claim to have the original Greek there at BibleHub, only the various versions of much later "copies" of the Greek which they do provide.    No one knows for sure today what the original Greek actually said.)

The folks at Bible Hub fully realize that we do not have the original Greek manuscripts, and they never claim that we do.    The only thing we have to go on is various copies of copies, which do not all match each other exactly (including for Matthew 6:13), so scholars have to make their best assessment of those copies, based on the differing versions we do still have available to us, and their best analysis of those copies, as well as various other factors.

Some of the Greek examples they show at "http://biblehub.com/texts/matthew/6-13.htm" contain that "Doxology", and some of them don't.

(Take a look at that link for yourself.)

I hope that clears that up for you.

(By the way, any assertion you happen to make in a post is open for discussion, not just the restricted ones you prefer us to reply to.    If you don't want any of those assertions discussed, don't make them.)

2,728 posted on 12/21/2014 6:03:04 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: Heart-Rest
>>You are still completely missing my point, CynicalBear.<<

No, I"m not. I'm telling you that your point is immaterial to my initial post and I don't have any quarrel with whether is should be there or not. So your whole effort on trying to convince of something that may or may not be is immaterial to me and I'm not going to waste any more of my time debating the issue with you.

Plain enough?

2,731 posted on 12/21/2014 6:38:22 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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