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To: CynicalBear
show where John "taught" that the sign in heave was Mary

The woman is identified as the mother of "a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne" (Rev 12:5) Later, that son is also named; his name is Christ (Rev. 12:10,17).

3,065 posted on 12/23/2014 7:50:49 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
>>The woman is identified as the mother of "a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne" (Rev 12:5) Later, that son is also named; his name is Christ (Rev. 12:10,17).<<

Nice try but that doesn't work for you. First of all it was a sign that appeared in heaven NOT a woman. Look at the first verse.

Revelation 12:1 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.

Now, if you insist that is actually Mary let's look at the next verse.

Revelation 12:2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.

If the woman is Mary is she also at that point in pain about to give birth?

Or do you say that the sign only represents Mary? If that is the case are you prepared to prove that Mary was in Egypt for exactly three and one half years with Jesus hiding from Herod? Are you also prepared to defend that Zion in the following passage is also Mary?

Isaiah 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a male. 8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. 9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God. 10 Be glad for Jerusalem and rejoice over her, all who love her. Rejoice greatly with her, all who mourn over her--

There you see that it is clear that Zion gives birth to a male child. A male child!! Where do we see that prophesy fulfilled later in scripture?

Revelation 12:5 She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne,

Well there it is!! Now, please show that Zion is actually Mary. Also show how scripture never speaks of anyone other than a woman giving birth to a son.

Also while you are at it would you please show how the daughter of Zion in Micah 4:9-10 is Mary rather than the nation of Israel?

All of you who would purport that Mary is the woman of Revelation 12 have a lot of explanation to do.

3,163 posted on 12/24/2014 8:45:10 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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