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To: ealgeone

The worship properly given to God is latria.

The veneration given to Mary and other saints is dulia.

Catholics do not “redefine worship.” In fact, Catholic theology defines “worship” or “latria” with fine precision, and distinguishes it from “veneration” or “dulia” with further fine precision.

It is a mortal sin to falsely accuse other Christians of committing the crime of idolatry. A mortal sin, unrepented, will send a person to Hell.

I am reporting your anti-Catholic bigotry.


134 posted on 12/26/2014 3:57:06 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan; ealgeone

To who?

Theoretically.

In what the scholastics termed "the cathedral of the mind" but in actual practice --- the "fine precision" and distinctions lead to nothing less than for many (though perhaps not all) the hyper-dulia afforded "Mary" alone, above and beyond any other person perceived as being a saint, inclusive of directing prayers towards her and others, not in practice restricted to asking "her" to "pray for them" (as the apologetic so often attempts to fig-leaf cover-up) results in going fully towards hailing "Mary" as a kind of heavenly mother, a Queen of Heaven, fully capable of ministering to persons directly.

Meanwhile, as is written in Genesis, "male and female created He them" with there no need for an additional "heavenly" or "spirit" mother, for God has both attributes well enough within Himself, being beyond gender or "sex" as it were, Himself...

I've seen recent writings (I wish I presently had the link) wherein a recent, formerly "protestant" convert had mentioned to a RC priest that as he had been ministered to by the Holy Spirit, he sensed something feminine about the way the love that was being poured over himself "felt" or came across.

The convert was told -- that was "Mary" instead of the Holy Spirit.

It is those kind of things which lead myself to be able to say that a great many Roman Catholics seem to make "Mary" as a fourth member of the Trinity, in all BUT openly declared name only.

So go and "report" that.

Tell it to --- who?

The Knights of Columbus, maybe? What would they do? Hit me with their swords?

How about reporting everyone here to the office of the Inquisition, which name was changed to "The Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office" and in 1965 changed name again to "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith"?

It used to be that if one was reported to them quite often the precise charges would not be stipulated, nor would the accuser or accusers be named --- but then if one were accused they would still face examination, which if they failed the tests of (in the judgment of those 'prosecutors' bot formulating and giving the tests) then an individual would face summary loss of his property, with the lands (if any) going to the Office of Inquisition.

But that office no longer has the power to take an individual's possessions, lands, and even life from others for reason of some disagreement of conscience.

So who to "report" a person here to --- now?

to "Mary" herself, who's angels are said (by *some* Roman Catholics) to stand and wait for her slightest expression of disapproval?

Go ahead. "Report" away. I seriously doubt she would be upset over anyone insisting that prayer be directed to the most High God, the Creator of the Heavens and the earth, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob -- the God of the Israelites (when those Israelites were not backsliding and whoring after other 'gods').

I'll stand here and walk around a pile of wood, pouring water on it, and mock you, asking you why her avenging angels have not come down to slay those whom would dare criticize Roman Catholic Church doctrines and teachings concerning "Mary", and it's twisted up double-talking "fine distinctions" theological statements (of which it is said all must kneel down before -- or risk HELLFIRE itself!)

Why no response from on high, why have not these critics been put to fiery death --- is she in the loo, powdering her nose? (1 Kings 18:27-29)

Meanwhile, I will continue as in times past, to look again towards the times when I shall again be graced with the seeming ability to "pray the spirit down" as it were, so that the presence of Him can be at times palpably sensed by even those whom are strangers to Him ---by which I mean even those having themselves not been baptized in the Holy Ghost. For such has occurred in my own life, over and again, though I don't know why, other than God does keep His own promises.

Do you expect God to keep the "promises" and or "words" of the Roman Catholic Church? Do you confuse the voices, that the voice or 'mind of the Church' (and by that I mean the Roman Catholic ecclesiastical body) is the same as the mind of God?

If so -- that is confusion City.

He is not us -- and we are not Him. "Mary" is not Him, either!!! (wake up!)

He may visit His presence upon some there, now and again -- and I would hope that He would.

Yet those visitations (among those within RCC environs) are not any more confirming of all RCC doctrines than His presence and visitations of His Spirit unto myself would make all which I have been preached to about Jesus outside of the narrower confines of the RCC, be entirely true (some things are true enough -- some have proved not)

Yet my own life and experiences with the Lord by way of His Spirit do disprove many RCC claims towards exclusivity, and when doing so show also the various claims towards infallibility (often expressed that the RCC alone out of all ekklesia) never have been mistaken or in error) -- to be false teachings, even LIES.

So sue me? Sic "Mary" on me? Go ahead. Tell God the Father I have little to no respect for Marionism as that has puff by little puff over the centuries inflated into becoming --- and see if He actually cares.

As far as I know He'd more likely be giving me a two thumbs up, "hey, way to go, thanks". My conscience is clear in this regard -- and no -- I am not causing anyone actual harm, unless challenging superstitious beliefs is hurtful to anything other than the superstitions themselves...

Concepts such as;

do not equate with having other Gods gods and goddesses, individuals in overall effect be allowed promotion to being like unto "little gods" in station and in conceptualization for reason they are not "before" but considered "beside" or even "under" the God who is One.

Gather all ye "Mary" witchy-witchies together, gather 'round and curse me to High Heavens! I dare you to.

I could use a good jolt from above, though I'll not be figuring on calling fire down on the wet wood, myself, 'cuz that "trick" is what I expect a chief minister, false prophet to anti-Christ to eventually do (in imitation of a true prophet) before this "world" is all done. Yet meanwhile "Mary" won't be sending down fire-bolts, anytime soon.

God the Father on the other hand -- I would advise all to step lightly when anywhere near His presence, because He can be awfully frightening when He gets His dander up. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of an angry God. Have you even heard Him speak...or as I have, even "yell" as it were? There is no one beside Him. He is The One, period.

But go ahead, tell "Mary" and every saint and angel you may know the name of just how bad I and others are for resisting 'Marionism', preferring and holding up Christ instead. Call every Roman Catholic the world over. Have them all pray for the earth to open and swallow me, in sight of everyone. Pray as hard as you can to have fire come down from Heaven to light little candles to burn "to Mary". I dare you, I dare all of you.

So who again are you going to be reporting this so-called "anti-Catholic bigotry"?

Check your own bigotries at the door of that Poleece station way up yonder. They've heard it all before...

143 posted on 12/26/2014 8:11:34 PM PST by BlueDragon (my daddy can beat up your daddy)
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To: Arthur McGowan; ealgeone
Catholics say:

>>The veneration given to Mary and other saints is dulia.<<

Dulia - The veneration given to Mary and other saints is dulia.

Scripture says:

1 Corinthians 7:22 For the one who was a slave when called to faith in the Lord is the Lord's freed person; similarly, the one who was free when called is Christ's slave. 23 You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of human beings.

So Catholics admit to being slaves of Mary (a human being) rather than slaves to Christ. How very telling.

181 posted on 12/28/2014 8:07:42 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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