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A Recent Article Ponders the Rarity of Earth And How Astronomical Are the Odds Against Complex Life in the Universe!

1 posted on 12/29/2014 7:55:13 AM PST by Salvation
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2 posted on 12/29/2014 7:56:29 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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The big problem is this... If life is common when circumstances are right, then complex life systems should already exist, some being millions of years old. Imagine homo sapiens one million years from now... At the very least we would have invested in beacons transmitted intelligent signals to star systems with the potential for life... Where are the signals?


3 posted on 12/29/2014 7:59:12 AM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: Salvation

Amazing! Some scientists don’t like hearing that, and so they have invented ridiculous things like “the multiverse” or a “fifth dimension.”


4 posted on 12/29/2014 8:03:10 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: Salvation

Science is a tool for testing the validity of theories. But there is a tendency for some to misuse it and make ridiculous comparisons in order to “disprove” the existence of God. They’ll treat religion as some kind of disease to be cured, as if science is somehow a suitable replacement. Wasn’t Nazi Germany the most scientifically enlightened society of its day? That certainly turned out well.


6 posted on 12/29/2014 8:07:17 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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It’s pretty hard to speculate when you are working off of an example of one. For instance:

“It is in a “habitable zone” in the galaxy. Radiation and the presence of wandering planetoids make life closer to the center of galaxies unlikely.”

That is only true if life is similar to us. So far we only have one example of life, us. It’s fine to suppose that all life would be vulnerable to high intensity cosmic radiation, as we are. But it’s still a supposition based on an example of exactly one.

Freegards


7 posted on 12/29/2014 8:08:08 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: Salvation
Youtube: Journey Toward Creation" with Hugh Ross - Origin of the Universe
13 posted on 12/29/2014 8:23:38 AM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Salvation

The argument that life is rare cuts both ways:

(1) to the believer, it affirms that life is a miracle; that God loves us and must surely have providentially designed the universe for our benefit.

(2) to the non-believer, it affirms that life is an accident, and the continuation of life tenuous.

Hence, the post-Christian world dwells on man-made climate change or rather a series of catastrophe stories whereby life “as we know it” comes to an end. Pope Francis, in throwing his lot in with the progressive socialists on matters of economics and science, shows that he doesn’t really believe in God.

Praise God, the King of universe, who has preserved us alive and sustained us, who not only revealed himself to us in the Law, but provided for us a Redeemer!


14 posted on 12/29/2014 8:28:45 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Salvation
The biggest issue with both the arguments about the uniqueness of life on Earth, and those of people like Carl Sagan is that we really don't have enough data to reasonably speculate about such matters. It is interesting to do so, but really, we don't know. We don't even know yet whether there is current or past life on several planets and moons in our own solar system. What if we should soon discover, say, micro organisms living under the Martian soil? Will that help to undermine the faith of people who make and accept arguments about the divine uniqueness of life on Earth?

I think that science and religion seek to answer fundamentally different questions, and that to use arguments from the one to address issues in the other is a badly misguided exercise.

20 posted on 12/29/2014 8:41:55 AM PST by Jeff F
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To: Salvation

Some of the criteria you propose are not essential for life. For example, Seasons and tides are not essential - bacteria live miles underground.

A while back, I read “The Life of Super-Earths” by Dimitar Sasselov (2012), an astrophysicist involved in the study of exo-planets, associated with the study of potential alien life. He reports that with the Kepler space telescope and a few other modern instruments, they are now able to observe planets transiting in front of their stars. The results of their sampling indicate that about half of stars have planets in the ballpark for potentially supporting life (one half to ten times the size of Earth, in the habitable zone around their star where temperatures could allow for liquid water).

They can’t tell which planets would be good habitats for us, but other life forms can live where we could not, like the bacteria D. Radiodurans, which can clog the drains of nuclear reactors. In many places where we could not live unsupported, like Antarctica or our moon, we can survive inside shelters with supporting equipment. One of the results of the study of life, is that once it has developed, it can be quite difficult to completely erradicate, just as life on Earth survived huge asteroid impacts and climactic changes.

The bottom line is that the estimate of one out of a thousand stars supporting life remains supportable as a conservative estimate.


24 posted on 12/29/2014 8:51:32 AM PST by BeauBo
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To: Salvation

There is no reason to believe that the Scriptures were ever intended—by either their human authors or the Holy Spirit—to teach scientific facts. It is unreasonable to believe that the Sun, the Moon, the stars, and the earth came into existence in a six-day period. There is ample evidence that it did not happen in that way.

What revelation does tell us is that the universe was created so that human nature could be created, so that God could become man.


27 posted on 12/29/2014 8:55:55 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Salvation

Surprisingly (and pleasantly) enough the opening page of a neuroscience college text also explained how fine-tuned our planet is for our existence. It concluded the discussion with the fact that the discussion was outside the scope of empirical science.

Love this stuff.


46 posted on 12/29/2014 10:09:58 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: Salvation

All intelligent biological life forms build intelligent machines that then extinguish the biological creators.


51 posted on 12/29/2014 10:40:44 AM PST by Lazamataz ("Two parties, governing AGAINST the will of the people, not with the consent of the governed." --MrB)
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There are a couple of problems in logical analysis that need to be addressed here. First, one logical fallacy is called “god in the gaps” which basically says, if no one knows the causes behind or is unable to explain an observation, this lack of knowledge is taken as proof of a supernatural being having created it. A second related logical fallacy is found in conformational bias. This is just the tendency to only see evidence that you want to see and blocking out or explaining away any evidence against you predetermined conclusion. Then, of course there are straw men (misstating your opponents position in terms favorable to your argument).


52 posted on 12/29/2014 10:42:08 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: Salvation
Its orbit is a nearly perfect circle rather than an “eccentric” ellipse...

Being a fan of gravitational and orbital computer simulations, this one thing is an extremely difficult thing to achieve.

55 posted on 12/29/2014 11:12:51 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Life and death are but temporary states. But Freedom endures forever.)
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“As factors continued to be discovered, the number of possible planets hit zero, and kept going. In other words, the odds turned against any planet in the universe supporting life, including this one. Probability said that even WE shouldn’t be here.” - article, MP

There were many steps skipped to get to here. What are the 200 factors? are they all really requirements? What is the probability of each? Are these factors paired or related?

This is far from a well-documented rebuttal to Sagan or anyone. Further, mixing in irreducible complexity, which is a fairly strong argument on its own, makes no sense here. life supporting planet probability/frequency is a totally unrelated line of thought from irreducible complexity.

I think the author should spend more time thinking and researching, and less time writing. IMO, this is half baked.


72 posted on 12/29/2014 1:52:17 PM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery ea)
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