How Christians Will Know They Can Join Hands With Rome

The Cripplegate, New Generation of Non-Conformists ^ | October 29, 2014 | Eric Davis, Pastor since 2008 of Cornerstone Church, Jackson Hole, WY

[RnMomof7]

With Reformation Day coming up, this is a good time to recall why the Reformers departed from Roman Catholicism. In our day especially, it seems that many Christians have history-amnesia when it comes to the importance of what God did through the Reformers. During the Reformation, great confusion existed regarding what was, and was not, the true church of Christ. Rome had asserted itself as the true church for centuries, and continues to do so today. However, as the Reformers recognized then, Christians must follow in step today by recalling that joining hands with Rome is a departure from Christ.

To be clear, this is not to say that everyone who sits in a Roman Catholic church is not a Christian. What it is saying is that several changes must occur before Roman Catholicism, by the book, can be considered biblical Christianity. And the men and women of the Reformation understood this, hence their necessary break with Rome. In their case, and ours, joining Christ necessitates breaking with Rome and coming under Christ means coming out from under Rome.

Christians will know that it is time to join hands with Rome when it does the following:

1. Renounce the Papacy.

[RnMomof7]

<<< I have never in my life seen or felt hatred of any kind from a Catholic towards a protestant.>>>> Really ?? Ask Wycliffe, or Huss,or Tyndale,or any of the men that died during the inquisition ... 1126 - Peter of Bruis - Burned at the Stake - Rejected Rome’s traditions 1155 - Arnold of Brescia - Bible Preacher - Hanged and Burned 1211 - 80 Waldensians - burned at the stake 1215 - 80 Christians - Tried by red hot iron and burned to death the same day in Strasburg, Germany. 1237 - 15 Christians burned alive at Cerdagne and Castlebon, Spain 1315 - Waldensian Bishop Neumunster - Burned at the stake in Hamburg, Germany 1315 - 50 Women and children burned at the stake in Schweidnitz in Silesia 1386 - Christmas Eve- Inquisitor Borelli attacks Valley of Pragela; hundreds frozen to death trying to escape. 1400 - William Sawtree - Wycliffe follower - Burned at the stake 1408 - John Resby - Heresy - Burned at Perth, Scotland 1409 - Tailor named Bradbe - Wycliffe follower - Roasted alive in a barrel 1415 - John Huss - Burned for preaching the Gospel and rejecting Rome’s views 1416 - 300 burned at the stake in Saxony 1417 - Sir John Oldcastle - Helped distribute Wycliffe Bible - Martyred for his faith by being roasted over fire 1427 - John Purvey - Bible distribution - died in prison - 1431 - Paul Craws - Convicted at St. Andrews, Scotland and burned to death 1481/2 - 2,000 people burned alive in Spanish Inquisition in Seville and Castile 1488 - 3,000 Waldensian believers murdered in a cave called Aigue-Froid 1506 - William Tylsworth - Burned for his faith in the Word of God 1511 - James Brewster - Burned at the stake - Having a book of Scripture 1514 - Richard Hun - Died suspiciously in Lollard’s Tower in London 1519 - Six men and women burned for teaching their children the Lord’s prayer - London 1525 - Gospel preacher named Schuch - Burned at the stake in Strasburg for preaching and having a Bible - His Bible was burned with him. 1528 - Patrick Hamilton - Burned at the Stake in Scotland for declaring that it is the right of any person to read God’s Word 1529 - Louis Berquin - Burned at the Stake in France for printing and distributing Bible tracts in French 1530 - John Tewksbury - Burned at the stake for Bible distribution - England 1531 - Thomas Bilney - Martyred for preaching and distributing the Tyndale Bible 1531 - Richard Bayfield - Burned at the stake for Scripture distribution 1532 - James Bainham - Burned for possessing Scriptures in the English language 1533 - Henry Forrest - Benedictine Monk who became saved - Burned at the stake in St. Andrews, Scotland 1533 - John Fryth - Burned for preaching the true Gospel - England 1534/5 - 24 Protestants burned alive in Paris, France 1535 - Dean Forret - Burned for having Scripture in the English tongue - Scotland 1536 - William Tyndale - Burned at the Stake for Translating the Bible into English - 1536 - Ann Boleyn - Wife of Henry the VIII - Beheaded for the true faith 1540 - Thomas Garrett - Friend of Tyndale - Burned at the stake - England 1545 - Massacre of Merindol and Cabrieres, France - Thousands of Waldensians murdered 1546 - Peter Chapot burned to death in Meaux, France for bringing French bibles to France 1546 - Stephen Polliot - Burned at the Stake for bringing Scriptures into France - His tongue was cut out so he could not witness to those around him at his execution. 1546 - Ann Askew - Tortured and burnt for studying and believing the true Scriptures 1548 - Paul Fagius - Burned for translating the Bible - England 1548 - Martin Bucer - Burned for translating the Bible - England 1553 - Nicholas Nayle - Burned at the stake in Paris because he brought gospel books for believers. 1554 - Lady Jane Grey - Beheaded for her conversion to true Christianity 1555 - Nicholas Ridley - Burned for his faith - England 1555 - Hugh Latimer - Burned for his faith - England 1555 - John Rogers - Translator of the Matthews Bible into English 1556 - Bartholmew Hector - Preaching and Bible Distribution -Burned at Thurin 1560 - Julian Hernandez - Burned at the stake in Spain for Bible Distribution 1560 - Jean Louis Paschale - Believed the Bible over Romish teachings 1560 - Stefano Negrino - Starved to death in prison - Italy 1561 - 88 men had throats slit in Montalto - Italy 1561 - Hugo Chiamps - Entrails torn from his body at Turin, Italy 1561 - Peter Geymarali - Entrails torn from his body at Lucerna, Italy 1561 - Maria Romano - Buried alive at Rocco-patia, Italy 1561 - Magdalen Foulano - Buried alive at San Giovanni, Italy 1561 - Susan Michelini - Hands and feet bound - Left to die in cold and hunger - Saracena, Italy 1561 - Bartholomew Fache - Gashed with Sabres and wounds filled with quicklime - Died from the agonizing pain 1561 - James Baridari -Sulpherous matches placed all over body 1561 - Daniel Revelli - Mouth filled with gun powder and then lit - Head blown to pieces 1561 - Maria Monnen - Flesh cut from cheek and chin thus exposing cheek bone- left to Perish 1561 - Thomas Margueti - Mutilated to death at Miraboco, Italy 1561 - Sudan Jaquin - Cut to bits in La Torre, Italy 1561 - Sara Rostagnol - Slit open from legs to Bosom - Perished on road between Eyral and Lucerna 1561 - Anna Char bonnier - Impaled on a spike and carried from San Giovanni to La Torre 1561 - Daniel Rambaud - Refused to renounce the true Gospel as they took his nails off, then fingers, then his feet, then his hands, then his arms and finally his legs at Paesano, Italy 1562 - James Bovell - Rejected Rome’s teachings in favor of the Bible 1566 - Francesco Spinula - Drowned at Venice, Italy for making a Latin version of the Psalms 1567 - Pietro Carnesecchi - Refused to bow to papal authority 1570 - Aonio Paleario - Martyred for writing a book called “The benefit of Christ’s Death.” 1572 - St Bartholomew’s Day Massacre - 4,000 brutally murdered of the French Huguenots - It lasted from August 24 to October 23 - Total killed during this time was about 35,000 October 27, 1842 - Bibles burned in Lake Champlain, New York in the USA! You helped your friend feel good about his entrance into hell if he trusted Rome 　

[Petrosius]

I trust no man's teaching unless I can substantiate in scripture. Catholics would be wise to follow that concept.

Which is why I reject sola scriptura, sola fide and "once saved always saved." None of these can be substantiated by Scripture.

[CodeToad]

“The Catholic Church stands condemned.”

According to people such as yourself, there are no Christians because if I put 100 of you in a room there will be 101 definitions of what a Christian must be and no one besides the definer meets their definition.

[CodeToad]

“Try taking communion. Watch the reaction. “

I have not only be encouraged to do so by Catholics at mass, but I have watched others do so. Have you ever witnessed anyone in a Catholic church be denied communion for not being Catholic? Don’t lie, God’s watching.

[RnMomof7]

How funny !!! Do you always run to the mod when you think someone is insulting you? I posted nothing personal ... I can not help how you interpret my words !

[CodeToad]

“nothing you can do will cause God to make you holy (set aside)”

You speak for God? Really? Wow. Such “Pride”.

[RnMomof7]

Which is why I reject sola scriptura, sola fide and "once saved always saved." None of these can be substantiated by Scripture.

have you ever read the entire bible ?

[CodeToad]

Wow, what drivel. I am supposed to take the word of someone not even capable of using proper paragraph punctuation?

[CodeToad]

“you know that the the “Religion forum “ of FR has become a proselytizing tool of Rome”

No, it has become the religion bashing tool for self-righteous people that think they, and they alone, are Christians.

Pride is a sin.

[RnMomof7]

You speak for God? Really? Wow. Such “Pride”.

No God speaks for Himself in His word... and what He says is that HE is the potter and we are the clay.. some vessels He makes for Honor and some for dishonor ....

[ravenwolf]

I have no idea where you are coming from.

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I also have no idea where you are coming from either, if you are referring to the idea that the Sabbath is dead I do not believe it.

The ten commandments are ever lasting laws which has been found impossible to be kept to the letter of the law.

Jeremiah 31
I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Hebrews 8
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Even though Jesus is the author of the new covenant he told us to keep the commandments, not the letter of the law but in out hearts, as the new covenant says.

My point was that many Sunday Sabbath keepers will say that the Sabbath no longer applies but if they really believe that what is the point of trying to change the day it happened?

How do you change a historical event such as the Day God rested? it can not be changed.

And people confuse the doings of the early Christians as a sign that the Sabbath has been changed to the first day of the week.

But it was not the early Christians who started saying that the Sabbath was changed to the first day of the week.

We can worship or hold Church service any time we want so what is the point in trying to prove the Sabbath is void or trying to change it to Sunday?

[CodeToad]

“have you ever read the entire bible ? “

Why would that matter since some people claim they have yet get so much of it wrong anyway?

[Petrosius]

have you ever read the entire bible ?

Yes, as have countless Catholics. See my post #21 on sola fide.

[RnMomof7]

I did not feel like coding that List.. tell those killed during the inquisition that Rome loved them ...

[HereInTheHeartland]

“No offense but the debates about this here are mostly pointless as they devolve into snipe to be correctedcontests.”

Exactly. People need to hijack the threads and turn them into Apple vs Microsoft debates just for fun.

[CodeToad]

“but the Jesus they believed in.”

That is such a copout. There is only one Jesus and to try to claim someone else has invented another is nothing more than judgmental lunacy. So, according to that logic, I won’t claim you don’t worship Jesus, I’ll just claim you worship a different Jesus. Nuthouse Lawyerisms.

[RnMomof7]

The problem is the unsaved can not rightly divide the word of God.. it is a puzzle to them .. it is foolishness to the perishing ...Scripture clearly teaches that those Christ has saved are held tightly in His grip and He preserves them to the end.. Do you understand what sola fide really means?

[CodeToad]

“but the Jesus they believed in.”

Also according to that logic there must be millions of Jesus figures are no one who believes in such lunacy agrees that another person meets their definition of a follower of Christ. Therefore, all those millions of other people must follow a different Jesus, so planet must have been full of Jesus figures like Santa Clauses at the mall at Christmas.

[RnMomof7]

I just read it and conclude you do not understand sola fide..

[CynicalBear]

>>if I put 100 of you in a room there will be 101 definitions of what a Christian must be and no one besides the definer meets their definition.<<

And you use that in some way to prove that the Catholic Church is correct? Makes no sense. How about let's compare all of those "101" to what scripture actually says. I will assure you that all but one of them only uses snippets of scripture rather than all of it.