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12 Claims Every Catholic Should Be Able to Answer; Claim 2
CERC ^ | Deal Hudson

Posted on 01/05/2015 3:27:43 AM PST by NYer

Freedom of speech is a great thing. Unfortunately, it comes at an unavoidable price: When citizens are free to say what they want, theyll sometimes use that freedom to say some pretty silly things. And thats the case with the 12 claims were about to cover.

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Some of them are made over and over, others are rare. Either way, while the proponents of these errors are free to promote them, we as Catholics have a duty to respond.


2.  "Christianity is no better than any other faith. All religions lead to God."

If you haven't heard this one a dozen times, you don't get out much. Sadly enough, the person making this claim is often himself a Christian (at least, in name).

The problems with this view are pretty straightforward. Christianity makes a series of claims about God and man: That Jesus of Nazareth was God Himself, and that he died and was resurrected — all so that we might be free from our sins. Every other religion in the world denies each of these points. So, if Christianity is correct, then it speaks a vital truth to the world — a truth that all other religions reject.

This alone makes Christianity unique.

But it doesn't end there. Recall Jesus' statement in John's Gospel:

"I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me." In Christianity, we have God's full revelation to humanity. It's true that all religions contain some measure of truth — the amount varying with the religion. Nevertheless, if we earnestly want to follow and worship God, shouldn't we do it in the way He prescribed?

If Jesus is indeed God, then only Christianity contains the fullness of this truth.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology
KEYWORDS: 12claims
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To: CynicalBear
Trying to communicate with those who have left this world is another matter and is condemned.

Seances, use of psychics and mediums, etc. is a serious sin to us, as well. It is known as a reserved sin; the person is considered excommunicated until repentant; a Bishop then can only restore the person to communion with the Church. Each diocese has an exorcist who may be called in to assist in cleansing of this sin's effects.

Again, a real question: you said:

It makes no difference to believers. They are either asleep as some believe or in heaven as others believe. It makes no difference to salvation.

Why does it not make a difference? What of eternity? I want to understand what that means.

121 posted on 01/05/2015 4:31:59 PM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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To: boatbums

I sent this same post to CynicalBear, but I think it works for you too.

What’s with you protestants? If you don’t want to be a Catholic then don’t be a Catholic. If you think some Protestant religion is the true religion, then have at it. But what makes you want to prove to me, a Catholic, that the Catholic religion is wrong? I really don’t care what you think. Don’t you understand that? I don’t have thing against you or your religion, but I really could care less what you think about the Catholic religion.

But if you ever see me hit up on some post that expresses some Protestant belief that I disagree with, then come back at me and tell me how stupid I am for telling someone from another religion how wrong their religion is. And you now what, I’m sure I’ll completely agree with you. But honestly, don’t expect to see that critical comment from me anytime too soon.


122 posted on 01/05/2015 4:33:10 PM PST by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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To: tomsbartoo; MamaB
>>But what makes you want to prove to me, a Catholic, that the Catholic religion is wrong?<<

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction.

123 posted on 01/05/2015 4:34:43 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: NYer

Hmmm. I’d say that was a pass. But thanks for the prayers; we all can use them. I’ll say a special one for you tonight as well.


124 posted on 01/05/2015 4:38:36 PM PST by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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To: CynicalBear

Go back and re-read your posts top me.


125 posted on 01/05/2015 4:39:59 PM PST by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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To: CynicalBear
"It's legit" is not sufficient; my questions were directed at the poster, not you; since it was reposted twice in this forum, the information should be reposted as well. Please repost it. The Holy Father made apologies to the Muslims for the wrongs committed during the Crusades. We are entitled to know the facts about the picture. If you don't agree, take them down and put the links to the forums you spoke of. If this has been argued so many times the poster should be able to find the info easily. The responsibility rests with them.

Thank you.

126 posted on 01/05/2015 4:42:52 PM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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To: CynicalBear

Ooops, I misread your post. And thanks for the answer. I do at least understand what drives you anyhow. But please do understand that I’m not interested in converting and I’ll probably just try to ignore what you have to say.


127 posted on 01/05/2015 4:44:52 PM PST by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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To: Grateful2God
Jesus spoke of His, and our Father. That Father was the God of Abraham, embraced by Jews, Christians, and yes, Muslims. Unless your personal interpretation of the Bible rejects the idea of the entire Old Testament, when Jesus refers to the Father, He is referring to the God of Abraham.

The scripture is quite clear that if you do not believe in the Son, you don't worship the Father either.

1Jn_2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Just because non-Christian Jews and Muslims "believe" in a god doesn't mean they believe in God. They are necessarily damned, therefore, until they become Christians.

128 posted on 01/05/2015 4:47:47 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: CynicalBear

This is kinda OT but I have a question. I am listening to Christian music on a cable station. One song really, really touched my heart. I have watched parts of some masses and their songs did not do a thing for me. Is that common or did I just come across bad songs. I go out of state frequently. I listen to CDs by the wife of a minister who stayed with us when I was a kid. If I had not been driving on the crooked Natchez Trace, I would have been holding my hands up. She touches me like very few do. I just do not see that happening in masses. Maybe they are more formal. I just do not understand but I have heard choirs who sang like they were just mouthing the words when I could understand them. Others sang like they truly believe the words they sing. Am I making sense?


129 posted on 01/05/2015 4:48:05 PM PST by MamaB
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

And what of people who are Buddhists, Hindu, whatever, or have never been exposed to Christianity? Do you believe that our Loving Father actually created them so they could fry in hell for all eternity?


130 posted on 01/05/2015 4:53:39 PM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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To: MamaB

Yes you are making sense. I too have been in those places where the Spirit is missing. Some of those “ritualistic” churches simply do “mouth the words”. Generally I can sense the lack of the Spirit the moment I walk in the door of some of them. Give me those churches and places where the true joy of the Lord is. If some don’t raise their hands in praise they haven’t felt the presence of the Spirit.


131 posted on 01/05/2015 4:56:52 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

Amen. As a kid, I attended churches where people did raise their hands in praise and some even started shouting. Give me a church like those over any “dead” churches. People in my SB are free to lift heir hands in praise to our Lord and Savior. I often wonder if people in Osteen’s and other churches would even consider doing that. I have even heard that it is considered too emotional. So what? It is past time to be excited about Jesus and what He has done for us. We should not just go through the motions of attending church. I can not wait until I get well enough to start back. Sometimes, I wonder if I will ever get back to feeling like I use to. I need to call my surgeon to schedule my other surgery. I have noticed I see double sometimes. I know she did not want to overdo the surgery which might cause other problems. It is kinda hard sometimes.


132 posted on 01/05/2015 5:10:18 PM PST by MamaB
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To: tomsbartoo

Thank you!


133 posted on 01/05/2015 5:21:44 PM PST by NYer (Merry Christmas and best wishes for a blessed New Year!)
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To: Grateful2God
And what of people who are Buddhists, Hindu, whatever, or have never been exposed to Christianity? Do you believe that our Loving Father actually created them so they could fry in hell for all eternity?

You sound like you're advocating universalism.

Let's let the Word address you concern....and it is a very serious one.

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.

20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

21For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22Professing to be wise, they became fools,

23and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

24Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.

25For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

134 posted on 01/05/2015 5:24:56 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Grateful2God
The Koran contains what is known as the Pentateuch, the first five books of the Bible. My guess is that Mohammed believed himself to be a descendant of Ishmael, the first son of Abraham, with Hagar. Whatever the reason, it's in there.

You might want to check that again.

135 posted on 01/05/2015 5:27:19 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: CynicalBear
Keep in mind that if the apostles didn't teach it then those who do are accursed of God.

Pfft!

There are ways around this; Prot!

136 posted on 01/05/2015 5:54:34 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tomsbartoo
Of course, this is a Catholic teaching.

Which, by definition, is NOT found in Scripture.

137 posted on 01/05/2015 5:56:14 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tomsbartoo
What I am saying is that while non-Catholics may very well reach salvation, they will be saved in spite of their false religion, and not because of that religion.

Just exactly how will that happen?

138 posted on 01/05/2015 5:57:06 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Grateful2God
The Koran contains what is known as the Pentateuch, the first five books of the Bible.

Where's the beef; as Clara would say.

Where is the evidence of this assertion?

139 posted on 01/05/2015 5:58:29 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tomsbartoo
Catholics believe that the bread and wine, after consecration, do become the Real Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.

And Bust the First called Reaganomics Voodoo Economics; too.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics

140 posted on 01/05/2015 6:00:43 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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