Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)

Catholic Exchange ^ | JULY 26, 2014 | Tim Staples

[metmom]

spiritually....no.

Oh, so suddenly now it's SPIRITUAL meaning.

How hypocritical.

If y'all are going to demand literal interpretation of eating and drinking His flesh and blood to give you life, then be consistent and demand that it is literal physical in this body life. The same body that ate and drank.

Don't be hypocrites and switch in the middle of a discourse.

[terycarl]

Peter didn't have any successors

Linus, Anacletus, Clemens,Evaristus, AlexanderI, Sixtus I, Telesphorus, Hyginus, Pius I, Anicetus, Soterius, Eleutherius, VictorI, Zephyrinus, Calixtus, Urbanus, Pontianus, Anterus, Fabianus....and that only taakes us up to the year 250 or so.....who do you suppose that these people were???????????????

[2nd amendment mama]

Because they have strayed meane that they have chosen to honor a god that does not exist but that, in no way, releases them from their obligation to serve the one and only God....which they do...they, however, do a very poor job of doing so...

I guess what you're saying is ""It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is." Do they worship our God before they worship a God who doesn't exist or just do it in a poor way. My goodness, talk about a convoluted sentence.

[terycarl]

“Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you You vipers!

I don't understand....really....someone quotes a Bible verse and you respond with you vipers....what the hell does that mean??????really...????

[terycarl]

This includes Mary...But ok, now the ball is in your court...Just provide one single verse showing Mary was sinless

It comes right after the one where you show that she sinned...

When Jesus tossed the money changers out of the temple and turned over their tables, and deprived them of their livlehood, and cost them who knows how much money, and deprived their families of supper that night.......did He sin??

[terycarl]

Just curious, do you know any other scripture???

just curious....if you don't believe that, why would more scripture make you change your mind?????

[terycarl]

Now that you mention it, that's the Catholic position as well...The big difference is: I believe the scriptures...

as written by who??...the Catholics, or Luther, or Storch, or Calvin, or knox, or Smyth, or Wesley, or Otterbein, or Campbell...or etc etc etc etc etc.

[2nd amendment mama]

as written by who??

Mostly Jews were the writers of the Bible. Moses wrote the 1st 5 books sometime before 1400 BC. Was Moses Catholic? That refutes the falsehood that you keep posting that Catholics wrote the Bible.

[terycarl]

I can get away with all kinds of thing they can't, like I don't have to go to mass, I don't have to confess my sins to another sinner to get them forgiven. I can pray directly to God, I don't have to go through a bunch of other people to get to Him. I can get away with the peaceful feeling of knowing I won't go to Hell, and won't have to worry about purgatory. Mom, Els, is there anything else I can get away with now that I am out of it? I love getting away with things. It does my heart good.

AN ABSOLUTELY PERFECT......PERFECT. desciption of Protestantism....I'm not responsible for anything that I do...Christ forgave all sins so I can live as I like....I can get away with anything....who are you to challenge me, all my sins are forgiven...even those that I haven't comitted yet.....Look out girls, here I come, survival of the fittest I say....if you have it and I want it.....IT IS MINE....Purgatory you say....Hell, I'm not responsible for anything so what does that mean to me????....Nothing I say...WATCH OUT WORLD, HERE I COME AND IT IS ON MY TERMS WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.....

Good luck with that theory but.....thanks but no thanks!!

[ADSUM]

You still don’t understand the words of Jesus about His Body and Blood that is for our salvation contrasted against the old mosaic law about eating blood and meat of sacrificed animals to idols.

I partake of the Eucharist because Jesus told us to do so. I believe that it is His Body and Blood and I feel much closer to God.

If you can’t or won’t understand the difference in a gift of God for our salvation compared to a general statement of a Jewish custom, then perhaps you are not listening to God’s word and following false teachings.

It seems to me that non Catholics struggle to come up with a minor issue/distraction/excuse to avoid dealing with God’s explicit words.

I suggest that the Catholic Church’s teaching that only Catholics should receive the Eucharist, then non catholics have to deny this teaching of Jesus.

[terycarl]

There are a few of us around. Praise the Lord. No more bondage. I was never much into bondage anyway, so it suits me just fine. Ain't life grand?

[terycarl]

NOPE! He's the Pope of Catholics NOT all Christianity.

NOPE...all Christianity....and the neat thing is that you don't even have to believe it....it's true anyway!!

[Heart-Rest]

"True; you DID say this; BUT.....your CHALLENGE said THIS:

'If by the end of the day tomorrow (1/28/15), you can show me a Bible text that says that the apostles were not at the crucifixion, I will immediately donate an additional $100 to Free Republic...'"

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You're post is correct as far as it goes (and, sadly, "correct" is not a term that I could truthfully apply to many of your posts, Elsie).    I did say that, as part of that wager offer.    My offer for a wager was to another poster, who would also have had to agree to pay that $100 to FR instead, if they could not find such a Bible text by the end of today (1/28/15).    That poster declined to make that wager.    Are you saying you wish to make that same wager with me, and that you will pledge to make that payment if you cannot find such a Bible text by the end of today?

[terycarl]

.....”He is a public figure...the Pope of all Christianity”.... A public figure ..yes... The Pope of Christianity..no......Christinity doesn’t have a Pope we have a Savior Messiah King...

Nope, he's the Pope of all Christianity....he was in the year 100, and the year 500, and the year 1000, and the year 1,900, an the year 2015....nothing changed. Along about the 1600's, some decided to change the definition of Christianity.

That didn't work then and it doesn't work now. Christianity is the Catholic church and those who decide to practice it outside the true church.....O.K., but it's still Christianity and he is still the Pope of Christianity....

[Mark17]

LOL, there you go again. See you at the pearly gates, I hope. 😇

Hey mom, we got us a live one here. I love to get away with stuff that catholics can't, such as, I get away with not going to mass, not going to confession to a sinner, not participating in worthless rites and rituals. I LOVE to get away with those kinds of things. I LOVE it. Sorry you can't get away with those things, but I couldn't be happier. See you at the pearly gates, again. 😇🆒

[terycarl]

I’ve been there, and SEEN the receiving of the wafers and wine. Nothing happened.

something miraculous happened to the true believers there, they recieved the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ under the appearance of bread and wine just as He promised that they would!!!!!!

[Heart-Rest]

"'If you believe I am wrong about that, then I'll be happy to make you a friendly public wager right here and now.'

'I have just shown how you were wrong in your statements. Pay up buddy.'"

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Wow, your posts interpret other posts just like your posts interpret the Bible.

You did not show any such thing (like you claim in your post), but I am not at all surprised that you are claiming you did.

In my post which you were responding to here, I offered another poster this wager, (and please read it more slowly and carefully this time):

If by the end of the day tomorrow (1/28/15), you can show me a Bible text that says that the apostles were not at the crucifixion, I will immediately donate an additional $100 to Free Republic, and if you can't, you will immediately donate an additional $100 to Free Republic.    Do we have a wager?

Would you care to make that wager CynicalBear?   (There is still time.)

(By the way, CynicalBear, when you learn of a painting titled "Christ on the Cross with Saints Mary, John the Evangelist and Catherine of Siena", does your understanding of the English language tell you that that only can mean that Saint Mary, Saint John the Evangelist, and Saint Catherine of Siena have to actually be up on the cross with Jesus in that painting, or do you comprehend the correct meaning of that precise usage of that language, as shown here?)

Here is that picture, for your enjoyment and personal edification.

Christ on the Cross with Saints Mary, John the Evangelist and Catherine of Siena

(Perhaps you ought to try to analyze that phraseology in the Greek.)     :-)

[terycarl]

I thought you said God died on the cross.

He did.....then He rose from the dead....remember now???????

[2nd amendment mama]

they recieved the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ

Kindly show me in Scripture where true believers received Jesus' Soul and Divinity through the Eucharist? I have NEVER heard that before! That's simply an outrageous claim.

[terycarl]

>>So if you disregard words that are not written in the bible, you are not following the bible.<< Like this? "thou shalt not eat the blood

or later when it says "take and drink of this, this is a cup of my blood which shall be shed for you for the remission of sin"......and unless you eat of the flesh of the son of man and drink of his blood you shall not have life within you...

but then, He was probably just kidding or something????