Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)

Catholic Exchange ^ | JULY 26, 2014 | Tim Staples

[metmom]

You can either accept the teachings and the Catholic Church based on the words of Jesus, or you can follow your own personal opinion or false teachings.

Or we can follow Scripture under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

[rwa265]

This is the key point. Can Mary be called the mother of:

the one who will save his people from sin?
Immanuel (God with us)?
the Son of the Most High?
the Son of God?

If not, why not?

I still have not gotten a satisfactory answer.

[metmom]

No, that is not what I am saying. Mary conceived and gave birth to the Second person of the Trinity.

NO, she did NOT!

The second person of the Trinity predated Mary.

Mary could not have given birth to the divinity of God without being divinity herself.

Otherwise, either you break the Trinity, or you make the Trinity less than God.

Mary can rightly be called the mother of God because Jesus is God, whole and entire, just as the Father and the Holy Spirit are God, whole and entire. They are one God, of one substance, essence, and nature

Mary cannot be rightly called the *mother of God* in any way, shape or form without either making her above God, or making God a created being, therefore not God.

Either way, that is elevating Mary above God, which we keep saying that Catholics do and they prove with posts like yours.

[metmom]

So you can separate the nature of God but not the nature of Jesus the man?

That's what they're saying......

[metmom]

You may be deluding yourself that you believe in Christ alone, but when you don’t believe His Church, you are rejecting Him. (This is in the Bible too.)

Show us the verse that says rejecting Roman Catholicism is equivalent to rejecting Jesus.

[rwa265]

According to most translations at BibleGateway, it means “God with us.” Some show “God is with us.” But you did know that, didn’t you?

[metmom]

Throughout the Gospels, the writers used the term Jesus when referring to Him. Jesus went, Jesus said, Jesus prayed, etc. In the same way, the writers referred to Mary as the mother of Jesus.

That response doesn't even begin to address the question CB asked.

This is the central mystery of our faith. How there is one God but three separate and distinct persons, each of whom is God, whole and entire. Are you not doing the reverse, separating the nature of Jesus but not of God?

IOW, it makes no sense and contradicts Scripture so well teach it anyway and call it a *mystery*.

It appears that the Nestorian doctrine is at play, but I can’t figure out how, with Jesus being God whole and entire, it can be said that Mary is the mother of the Son of God without also saying that Mary is the mother of God.

So what's the heresy called when you deny the humanity of Jesus?

If Jesus is God, whole and entire, where's His huamnity?

[metmom]

I’ve noted that before that RC’s will react FAR more strongly to any perceived slight against Mary than any perceived slight against Jesus.

What it eye opening is that they do it against Jesus THEMSELVES.

[terycarl]

common sense prevails over all)

of course it does....now answer the question at hand someone quotes a Bible verse and you respond with you vipers....what's that supposed to mean??

[CynicalBear]

Why haven't you been reading my posts? Besides, metmom answered pretty clearly here and has often.

[CynicalBear]

LOL Have you ever seen a “good” explanation for anything from the Catholic Church or it’s apologists?

[metmom]

Come to think of it.....

No.

[Elsie]

The white smoke is used when a new pope is selected.

Will there come a day; soon; when...

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[Elsie]

Yes I put my Faith in Jesus and in His Church, the Catholic Church.

[Mark17]

AMEN! I know for a fact that God has used me to bring others to him and it is an absolutely blessing to me! I just LOVE being used by God for his Glory.

Same here mama. It is nice to lead others to the glorious truth, not found in false, man made pernicious cults. GC, last night we were out preaching the word. I was throwing life preservers to people in the middle of the Tiber, if you catch my drift 🆒😇

[Elsie]

*No replies. *

I'll shout louder.

Perhaps they are pursuing...

"What is so critical for salvation and maturity in Christ that the Holy Spirit neglected to include in Scripture that the Catholic church deems it necessary to teach it as truth?"

[Elsie]

you respond with you vipers....what's that supposed to mean??

It means you are inconsistent.

[CynicalBear]

Oh I wouldn’t say that.

[terycarl]

Can you think of anything else that I now get away with, that I couldn't get away with before? 😄😇🆒

All immature children think that they can get away with things. I'm a corrections officer, a youth services officer in a Maximum security juvenile correctional facility and it is amazing what they think that they can get away with.....but there's ALWAYS someone watching and we get away with virtually nothing....You may swipe the cookie from the cookie jar, but mom knows that it is gone and the consequences could be severe....NO COOKIES FOR TWO WEEKS....but go ahead, try your luck....not me!!

[metmom]

I have seen certain Catholics try to make a good argument in an honest manner, but the arguments, not based on Scripture, don’t work but rather end up appealing to the CCC, *logic*, *reason*, theology, or whatever.