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Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)
Catholic Exchange ^ | JULY 26, 2014 | Tim Staples

Posted on 01/24/2015 3:23:43 PM PST by NYer

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To: Arthur McGowan
Once again, the title "Mother of God" has NEVER meant that Mary is the origin of the eternal, Triune God.

But that's what it SAYS.

341 posted on 01/25/2015 10:12:43 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: huldah1776
>>For protestants the lie of the pre-trib rapture will be devastating.<<

In what way?

342 posted on 01/25/2015 10:13:20 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ADSUM
Catholics understand the dual nature of Jesus as human and divine.

Lots of people do. That's why the term *mother of Jesus* is accurate and *mother of God* is not.

343 posted on 01/25/2015 10:14:34 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: NYer

What I puzzle over is: Yashua was born the only sinless person on earth to assume all the sins of mankind. He was the only person who had the Holy Spirit within therefor Mary didn’t have the Holy Spirit. The Bible states: For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God - I don’t want to be contentious but just trying to resolve conflicts.


344 posted on 01/25/2015 10:14:44 AM PST by SkyDancer
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To: HiTech RedNeck
>>Just like if I am in the right position I can stand in both Kentucky and Tennessee.<<

You would still be in but one single location. You're not in Kentucky and South Carolina.

345 posted on 01/25/2015 10:15:22 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: NYer

There is a long historical record of worship of the “Mother Goddess” in human history. Apparently it reaches a need within segments of humanity in their belief systems about the Diety.

So it is not exceptional for the Catholic faith to incorporate this aspect of worship.


346 posted on 01/25/2015 10:15:49 AM PST by wildbill (If you check behind the shower curtain for a murderer, and find one... what's your plan?)
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To: don-o; Iscool
So he was just joshing (actually lying) to Thomas?

In what way?

347 posted on 01/25/2015 10:17:18 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: 1010RD
>>Christ organized his Church and it functioned as organized after his resurrection.<<

That's pure fallacy. Christ said He would build His ekklesia. His called out assembly. Nothing about an organized "church".

348 posted on 01/25/2015 10:20:17 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: MamaB
>>I can tell which church is spirit filled after one service.<<

Yep, I'll agree. Been there done that.

349 posted on 01/25/2015 10:24:14 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Arthur McGowan
>>Emily is the mother of a fireman.<<

Was the fireman both God and man? Was the fireman two persons in one? Carnal logic does not spiritual understanding make.

350 posted on 01/25/2015 10:28:41 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Iscool

Bingo...


351 posted on 01/25/2015 10:32:17 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Ga 4:16)
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To: NYer
Mary’s preservation from original sin was accomplished in anticipation of her Son’s redemptive work.

And why was it necessary?

The gracious character of this blessing is also the reason that Anne and Joachim did not need to have it: It was a grace God could give to anyone at any time.

If God could do it for Mary, born of sinful parents, then He could have done it for Jesus, born of a sinful mother.

Why not? Sinless is sinless. If Mary was necessarily sinless to bear the sinless Christ, then why was it not necessary for Mary's parents to be sinless to be a fitting vessel to bear the (allegedly) sinless Mary?

352 posted on 01/25/2015 10:35:17 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: CynicalBear

Jesus, born on December 25, killed on good Friday and raised on easter Sunday is the counterfeit to the genuine.. that just isn’t truth.. it is false.

It is why Paul didn’t teach the gentiles good Friday or easter Sunday.. he taught passover and first fruits in Corinthians. that was the gospel he taught.

Christianity is based on another gospel, plain and simple..not something people locked in ‘doctrine’ can see..
But just a simple greco roman latin one that has whitewashed the whole Hebrewness..
It isn’t just the words but the theme of Christianity’s gospel that exposes it as a fraud. The only thing that should be Greek, roman or Latin in the new testament should be the words but it isn’t.. it is how Greco Roman Latin holy days dominate christian worship.

Why Santa and the Bunny have a place on two of Christendom holiest days..

Can you explain how the name Joshua got into the new testament? I would like a christian explain that translation work..my concordance has no Joshua listed in the new testament but there they are, two of them..

See Jesus, good Friday and easter is according to Rome..

See Joshua, Passover and First Fruits is according to scripture.. and that scripture could be told from the old testament! Just like Paul did... because we have no proof that the four gospels were even written before Paul began his ministry..

And there is a difference in those two ‘gospels’ as Paul taught vs what Christendom teaches.

You can’t see the difference.. it is why there is something called the ‘mother of harlots’ in scripture.. it isn’t just the mother that is playing the harlot..

And why Christendom doesn’t see itself as any part of Babylon..or a vessel that the enemy has used to steal worship from Genuine Truth..

You will continue to beat up the mother church thinking you will win the debate.. you debate them from their false premise..

Their Jesus is your Jesus.. their Mary is your Mary...

Praise Yah when I knew Him as Jesus, He led me away from all the counterfeits to genuine Truth..
He is willing to do that for any and all..

But it helps to see Rome and her daughters on the same losing side..
That is not done with earthly eyes...
It clumps all of Christendom in with the mother church and her holy city, Rome.

But again, Rome and the world calls today the sun’s day..

Scripture and His calendar calls it His 3rd day..

You and I have had those conversations before..

one is worldly, the other is kingdom based.

Christians may not be ready for His Kingdom to come... they have too much of the world (Rome) on them..

If there comes another calendar on the scene named after Mohammad that the world uses religiously , I will admit I was wrong about Rome..
If not, we still have the pope and his calendar..

His Kingdom that He preached will have zero to do with Greco, roman or Latin worldly influence, unlike what the world follows today..

We can get a head start or we can stay in Babylon until those walls fall.. rahab is the best example of that.. but she wasnt fighting on her Babylon’s side when the walls fell..


353 posted on 01/25/2015 10:36:19 AM PST by delchiante
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To: wmfights
I'm surprised that there is so little understanding about the resurrection and how God the Father transformed God the Son.

I'm not. Some years ago, some Catholics were stating that we are going to be resurrected having the same bodies we have now.

Never mind that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

354 posted on 01/25/2015 10:37:05 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: 1010RD
>>a follower of Christ, should absolutely expect continuing revelation, angels, ordination, baptism and an organized, orderly church.<<

Matthew 7:15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Acts 20:29 - For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

1 John 4:1 - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

355 posted on 01/25/2015 10:43:43 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Emily is the mother of Sam.
Sam is a fireman.
Emily is the mother of a fireman.

Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Jesus is God.
Mary is the mother of God.

Your *logic* fails.

Mary is the mother of Jesus, GOD WITH US.
Jesus is GOD WITH US. (That’s what His name means)
Therefore Mary is the mother of GOD WITH US.

She is not the mother of the second person of the Trinity.
She’s not the mother of His divine nature, therefore she is NOT the mother of GOD.


356 posted on 01/25/2015 10:44:29 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: CynicalBear
>>Emily is the mother of a fireman.<< Was the fireman both God and man? Was the fireman two persons in one? Carnal logic does not spiritual understanding make.

Are you saying that Jesus was/is two persons in one?

357 posted on 01/25/2015 10:46:37 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan; metmom

The Holy Spirit inspired the words “mother of Jesus. He did NOT inspire the words “mother of God”. Do you not trust the words of the Holy Spirit to be reliable? Do you think He forgot to mention “mother of God”? Do you think it wise to go beyond what the Holy Spirit inspired to be written?


358 posted on 01/25/2015 10:47:57 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

So many think they will not have to face death because of their faith.


359 posted on 01/25/2015 10:48:53 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: caww

yep


360 posted on 01/25/2015 10:49:24 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Ga 4:16)
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