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To: CynicalBear

“my words are spirit” “the flesh profits nothing”.

So you are saying Christ’s flesh (Body and Blood) profits nothing.

“1. The Flesh does not grasp spiritual teachings - [Jesus said] The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life (John 6:63).

Having heard Jesus’ teaching on the Eucharist, most of his listeners ridicule it and will no longer take Jesus seriously. So Jesus indicates that their hostility to the teaching on the Eucharist is of the flesh. The flesh demands that everything be obvious to it on its own terms. The flesh demands to see physical proof for everything; it demands that it be able to “see” using its own unregenerate power. And if it cannot see based on its own limited view, it simply rejects spiritual truth out of hand. In effect, the flesh refuses to believe at all since what it really demands is something that will “force” it to accept something. Absolute proof takes things out of the realm of faith and trust. Faith is no longer necessary when something is absolutely proven and plainly visible to the eyes of flesh. The flesh simply refuses to believe and demands proof.”

Msgr Pope

You fail in your twisted explanation and you reject the Church that Jesus founded. I think you are missing many of the graces that God provides through His Church.

Are you a former Catholic that has rejected some of her teachings?


1,542 posted on 01/29/2015 11:23:12 AM PST by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM
>>So you are saying Christ’s flesh (Body and Blood) profits nothing.<<

um...those were Jesus words not mine.

>>Having heard Jesus’ teaching on the Eucharist, most of his listeners ridicule it and will no longer take Jesus seriously.<<

Yeah, they took it just like the Catholics do. Only difference is that they knew it to be sin but Catholics don't care or explain away the sin in some fashion.

>>So Jesus indicates that their hostility to the teaching on the Eucharist is of the flesh.<<

And that is shown in scripture where? Msgr Pope just inserting something there? Jesus said His words were spiritual. He did not say they were physical or literal.

>>The flesh demands to see physical proof for everything; it demands that it be able to “see” using its own unregenerate power.<<

Yeah, like Catholics giving us all those examples of proof that the cracker really has blood in it.

>>In effect, the flesh refuses to believe at all since what it really demands is something that will “force” it to accept something.<<

Thus the "proven" miracles of the Catholic Church, the proof of "blood" in the host and the visible icons, statues, and rituals of Catholicism.

>>You fail in your twisted explanation and you reject the Church that Jesus founded.<<

I use the words of scripture. You are forced to use the words of the Catholic Church and men like Msgr Pope.

1,552 posted on 01/29/2015 12:41:26 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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